[Hero]

If you read Empyrean's thread about the Apollo 12 eclipse idea and also notice that most of the main characters in Heroes are younger than 35, then could Nathan and Peter's dad have been in the space program and somehow related to any (possibly fictional) experiments accomplished on Apollo 12? I don't remember what we know about the dad Petrelli, though.

But let's say the eclipse witnessed by Apollo 12 (which is stated to be rare) affected any (possibly biological or genetic) studies or tests performed during the mission. And then if Nathan and Peter's dad was involved and exposed to any affected experiments, maybe that was a catalyst which caused changes or new abilities to awaken, which also were passed down to his sons? The plotholes to fill would be how the other Heroes or their ancestors in the show were connected to the patient or the experiments, but since the medical and scientific communities have no borders (along with any incidental or coincidental connections), it's easy to see how one "remarkable pebble" thrown in the water can create ripples worldwide! Maybe the plot will show that after that initial previous eclipse, then the eclipse that will be a plot element in the show will further affect or strengthen those who may be (naturally or artificially) predisposed to some genetic evolution? Yep, all just speculation!

Haven't figured out how to tie in the Suresh research notes, though.

[The_Heroic_Loser]

Hmm....if this all turns out to be true, then you're officially a genius.

[Super Ordinary Guy]

Okay, well... Maybe Nathan and Peter's dad after experiencing that flight which might have scared him, caused him to drop out of the astronaut business and into the navy? Maybe he's a sailor that has a girl in every port? Maybe all of the super humans are ALL children of that one guy? They are all brothers and sisters with a different mother? *Okay, even I'm snickering over my post* If they go by way of Chaos theory, people might start to turn the TV off. DNA mutations, explained much like X-Men, would be the best bet. Solar radiation would also be a good bet. Scientific experimentation leading to these mutations might come across as too Sci-Fi. Any reasonable individual can agree to the fact that today or 30-some years ago we do/did not have the capability/knowledge to manipulate change on such a drastic scale IMHO. Of course, anyone's opinion can disagree with me. I hardly know what I'm talking about anyway.

[The_Heroic_Loser]

Originally Posted by Super Ordinary Guy

Maybe he's a sailor that has a girl in every port? Maybe all of the super humans are ALL children of that one guy?

Wow, he must really get around. 8)

[tobnameless]

I feel dumb after reading that guy's post. I kinda like it when I feel dumb though it is a comfortable place. I think I have been out of school to long.

I agree that "too Sci-Fi" would be bad, but even genetic mutations caused by a solar event would probably breech that taboo. I am betting that there is an element of government conspiracy and genetic mutation combined. IMHO that is the only track that would hold the general populaces opinion. Sci Fi enough for the likes of us and dark enough for the xfiles crowd.

But like SOG I dont believe half the crap that I say.

[Hero]

Originally Posted by Super Ordinary Guy

Okay, well... Maybe Nathan and Peter's dad after experiencing that flight which might have scared him, caused him to drop out of the astronaut business and into the navy? Maybe he's a sailor that has a girl in every port? Maybe all of the super humans are ALL children of that one guy? They are all brothers and sisters with a different mother? *Okay, even I'm snickering over my post* If they go by way of Chaos theory, people might start to turn the TV off. DNA mutations, explained much like X-Men, would be the best bet. Solar radiation would also be a good bet. Scientific experimentation leading to these mutations might come across as too Sci-Fi. Any reasonable individual can agree to the fact that today or 30-some years ago we do/did not have the capability/knowledge to manipulate change on such a drastic scale IMHO. Of course, anyone's opinion can disagree with me. I hardly know what I'm talking about anyway.

Except for all the other sarcastic junk you said that wasn't all that helpful, the solar radiation and the tidbit about the dad being in the navy was useful. I didn't pick up on the fact that the dad was in the navy (only watched the 55 minute showing about 1.5 times in a few chunks of time with a bunch of distractions/interruptions of daily life which kept me less focused on the show).

So yeah, sog, if the dad was in the navy, that wouldn't discount how any solar radiation effects about which people might want to make a story could affect him. That makes it easier, actually! I betcha 1 Uluru button (which I don't own, so hopefully I don't lose) that you didn't know that the crew of Apollo 12 were all NAVAL Aviators! (Actually, I just found that out myself when reading about the Hornet ...) Anyway, if the story is told that the Petrelli dad was on the U.S.S. Hornet performing his Naval duties, that would work out great! Why? 'Cuz the Hornet was used to bring back the crew of Apollo 11 AND 12 (and more about the Hornet can be found at this link)! And if the Hornet were part of the story, since it also recovered a scorched and umanned Apollo capsule in '66 (which could be used as a source of radiation, if the writers go that route), that could help explain the "worldwide" ocurrence of Heroes, since the Hornet's been to New York and California and Japan, not to mention the places where people or objects on the carrier could have traveled! Cool, huh (but probably not)?

So sog and tob, I was just having some fun speculating about the background of Patient Zero with not a lot to go on while trying to keep it somewhat plausible. My first thoughts in the original post of this thread have now been tweaked to the (still highly speculative) idea that maybe the Petrelli dad on the U.S.S. Hornet was somehow affected by radiation from an eclipse experienced by Apollo 12 (the crew or capsule or anything in the capsule or even from other Apollo recoveries), which *might* still be an explanation for Patient Zero. But it does sound pretty far-fetched...

Oh well. I highly doubt my speculations are even close to something from the mind of a
"Misfits of Science" writer or "Strange World" creator. And I ran outta room in the topic title - I meant to ask if Patient Zero was the Petrelli bros' dad, not everyone's! :shock: Sorry that my thoughts were "dumb".

[Super Ordinary Guy]

Originally Posted by Hero

And if the Hornet were part of the story, since it also recovered a scorched and umanned Apollo capsule in '66 (which could be used as a source of radiation, if the writers go that route), that could help explain the "worldwide" ocurrence of Heroes

Okay, okay, I concede! If I had any money in my pockets right now, I might actually buy it. It sounds a bit more plausible with the new information you uncovered. But wouldn't Patient Zero actually be Patient Zeros - the entire crew of the Hornet? I guess Patient Zero could be the radiated space craft that caused the mutations in the crew. And since it is the navy and they are well known for having girls in every port, there could be LOTS of kids all over the world with powers... It still has a way to go (IMHO) but it is starting to come together... I apologize for my originally sarcastic post. I wasn't trying to be mean, so sorry if it came across that way...

Question: Is it known that Nathan and Peter's dad is an astronaut? I thought that was speculation. I was simply speculating on him being Navy, so I have no clue about that. All I know is that astronauts, getting in the space program, usually meant one had to be Air Force or Navy or something else. Oh, and you can keep the Uluru button you don't have because I didn't know that about Apollo 12.

[tobnameless]

Sorry to offend you Hero. I was just having a little fun with you. I try not to think serious thoughts to often, it hurts to much. Never meant to discredit or deny the plausibility of your thoughts. I genuinely thought you made some good points and had pretty well thought out ideas. The way that you presented them was concise and well plotted. Your current correction with the additional information make your ideas even more plausible. Please don't ever curtail your creativity even in the face of ridicule, real or not. You are probably every bit as talented as the writers of this show so don't put yourself down.

I was a sailor and I refuse to confirm or deny the presence of women in ports. Although I might tell you an interesting story or two sometime.

[Hero]

Originally Posted by Super Ordinary Guy

Question: Is it known that Nathan and Peter's dad is an astronaut? I thought that was speculation. I was simply speculating on him being Navy, so I have no clue about that. All I know is that astronauts, getting in the space program, usually meant one had to be Air Force or Navy or something else. Oh, and you can keep the Uluru button you don't have because I didn't know that about Apollo 12.

I don't know why I thought your Navy comment was trying to tie my fiction to some fact that was in the show that the dad was in the Navy, but it didn't click for a while that you were trying to explain the "dad" of everyone part. I thought you had a fact I had to fit in with my unfounded speculations.

The space program (and later Hornet) idea was my speculation to explain how Empyrean's Apollo 12 eclipse (which is probably fiction itself as far as the Heroes storyline goes) could affect people worldwide. So... I got nothing.

Sog, if you accepted the terms of the bet, doesn't that mean I get an Uluru button from you if you lost? (Had to think of something to cheer me up... :oops: )

Well, I don't have anything to support my thoughts, so who do you all (anyone in general) think is Patient Zero, who seemed to be someone Suresh was looking for in New York?

[tobnameless]

Alright I confess.......IT IS ME!!!!