Tim Kring on Volume 2 Finale, Possible Volume 3 Storylines

Nathan is one of the most rich and well developed characters on the show.The fact that he played bench to some of the abysmal performances this year is criminal and a huge mistake by the writers.

To underuse him all season only to pull him out so he can get shot for a cliffhanger screams “shock value”.

I’m calling the writers out on this one,I know this character’s death is the last thing on your minds right now,and rightfully so (I support the WGA),but getting rid of this character who still has so much potential for redemption and starting anew in his life would be a travesty.NOTHING IS WRONG with the original cast,I know the creators were so hellbent on using BRAND NEW characters when Season 2 was coming up,but look how that payed off.Anders and Bell were fine additions,but the Twins and New Orleans storylines didn’t pay off.

The Petrelli family history is still shrouded in mystery and there’s is still so much untapped potential.Nathan’s character was one of the defining aspects of this show,his ability to go good,as well as step along the blurred moral line into the gray is what makes him great and essential to the show WHICH IS all about morals and doing the right or wrong thing.

So to the creators and writers of this show,Please hear us.This isn’t a cry of obsessed fandom over the loss of a character.This is about continuing the show down an interesting route and exploring untapped storylines which,no offence,was really missing this season.

So, “Generations” is over. And what did we learn about the preceding generation?

Next-to-friggin’-nothing.

We had three new characters from that generation introduced. One is buried, one died in the same episode she was introduced, and one is Bob, who seems to be pretty much a good guy, with some bad qualities (contrasted with Bennett, who is a bad guy with one good quality).

We know *two* of the preceding generation’s powers. We know next to nothing about their history, goals, and their falling-out.

Noah Bennett went nuts, and got horribly sloppy (killing his mentor instead of brain-wiping him, but leaving his fingerprints all over — nice work, Einstein!). Pretty much everything he did made things worse for him and his family. Except dying.

D.L. died stupidly, and without making a point (contrast Highlander, for example, when Tessa dies in a mugging, reinforcing the difference between her mortality and immortality). Mohinder begins to embrace the company, and they act in a way that makes him start to trust them (in contrast to Bennett, who acts in a way that almost guarantees that Mohinder won’t trust him).

And, possibly worst of all, Hiro and Ando get almost no screen time together. Hiro is a little useless without Ando to play off of. We all know his scenes in feudal Japan took too much time, but his drive for revenge against Adam contrasts with his entire behavior last season, not to mention his talk with his father this season.

The less said about the Wonder Twins, the better. We don’t know what her power is, exactly, and she’s easily swayed, which doesn’t make her endearing. I’m wishing we’d seen about a third as much of them.

But, still, why call it “Generations?” Why not call it “Pride and Prejudice?” Or even just “Stupid things happen to people who don’t work together, but should have.”

Something definitely bugged me about this series. The whole layout of story-lines were too detached. In the first series (unfortunately for the writers , they set the bar pretty high) despite taking a long time, you knew that the stories were going to coincide at some point. But ‘Generations’ was more made up of bits and pieces that had me expecting confrontations and/or pivotal involvements, which sadly turned into a few distant links; Mika’s involvement, as well as Claire and West’s part. (Hiro-Kensai/Adam-Peter being the well executed exception)

It also seems like The twin’s only function was to transport Sylar back to the US, a bit of a waste of potential, and a bit too coincidental for my liking.

From what we’ve heard about ‘Villains’, I really hope they don’t make the same mistake as the ‘Matrix’ sequels and take it too distant from reality. Part of what made ‘Genesis’ so good was how ‘down to earth’ it was, making it much more believable. I’ve got a haunting feeling that season 3 is going to be more like the ‘childish’ ‘good vs evil’ battle we see in X-Men. PLEASE KEEP IT REAL!

I agree. They could have wrapped the Hiro/Adam story, in past Japan, up in just 2 episode with a faster pace then to drag it out so much. This is what killed any pace or interest in volume 2 episodes and when it was resolved then the series reclaimed itself.

oh god bless no xmen please…
>.< want season 1 back

Please let Nathan be revived. He was one of my favorite characters…. HRG pulled the trigger…terrible..

Take Monica instead!! Bring back Nathan and Niki(without her MPD).

after all niki has been through, is she not the one character we are all gunning for to pull through!!!

i dunno. the season was ok when I watched, but now when i think about it, it really sucks compare to season 1. i like the idea of a bad guy group because there have been to many good people groups in the past few years. but i also dont want 10 sylars.

How is that gonna work with Sylar heading a legion of baddies? Isn’t he gonna just go around stealing their brains?? would be a bit of a shift from his character if he were to start up bonding with a team…..and I’m still a little miffed as to why season 2 didn’t explain quite how Sylar survived, or survives all his deathly experiences….Generations was a complete washout, hoping for a miracle for the next season. Plus, c’mon even Xmen the movies (1&2 anyway) were better than this!

Anyone know when Season 3 will be out??I just can’t wait for that!

I have no idea where they’re going with volume three. I love Heroes dearly but i think it was very hard for them to fill the boots of volume one, which was amazing. I really hope the writers strike ends soon so we can get our HEROES back. I was sad about Niki, i really liked her and getting Nathan was a shock but at the end of the day they might have a valid reason for doing it, we don’t know until volume three.

I hate when I found out that it will be only 11 episodes for this season. When season 3 comes back, they better bring Nathan back. I like how he taking care of his little brother. They can make their mother die, I don’t care!

I feel that all these deaths in the show that happen to major characters are just the writer’s way of copping out to producing something good. I was sympathetic to thier cause at first and I was understanding of thier strike, but after seeing “Powerless” and having some time to mull over what I saw, I am now somewhat furious at the writer’s for slapping some material together to end the Season (which should have WAY MORE episodes than 11).

The writers better have something a-FREAKING-mazing to show in Season Three or they’re going to lose some viewers. Yours truly included.

hey “mk”..please don’t compare Heroes to X-Men..I think one of the main reasons why heroes has become so popular is BECAUSE its not like X-Men…its been said so many times before me..sure the effects of the different abilities are so cool to see and they spark the imagination so much more, but before the abilities on Heroes, comes the characters that have them. Heroes is about ordinary people from around the globe who DISCOVER extraordinary abilities..

It is my opinion, that those of you that are seeking constant action and effects like in X-Men..should do just that..stick to X-Men..

And sure season 2 wasn’t as great as season 1, and lots of people may say there needs to be more action and effects, like in X-Men. But the thing is, I’m sure the writers run into huge problems when it comes to situations like this..they want to please the viewers with what they want, but then they don’t want to abandon the original Heroes theme of ordinary people with special abilities, rather than the reverse..

as for volume 3 and the possibility of Sylar rasing some army of villains??..I agree, I think its totally against his character, and would make no sense for him to do that..

oh and remember when Caitlin was just like..forgotten about?? haha yeahh..

anyone else like to comment??

Why does everything think Sylar will lead the villian team? It seems more realistic that Adam will get free from his coffin cell and start the team, like he did with the original company. Maybe Nightmare man will come out of his nitghmare/coma and continue adam’s work. I just want the strike to end and for the rest of season 2 to start! I don’t want to wait for season 3… And i know Vol 2 wasn’t as good as Vol 1, but it was still enjoyable imo.

And how do u no HRG shot nathan?

I hope nathan doesn’t die. Can he die? He got injected with adam’s blood right? Is the injecting of the blood only effective for a one-time use. hmmm… i wonder

from what ive seen niki is going to return in volume 3 but her storyline is going to be wrapped up. but jessica’s will not. niki is gone but jessica is back. or so ive read how cool maybe jessica is a villian

I knew Nathan was going to die this season as soon as they brought in flying boy, who predictably falls in love with Claire.

And I figured the male twin would die because he wasn’t in any promos of the show but the female one was.

Though I still love the show, I can’t help but some huge loop holes, like why did DL get shot when he can phase through bullets? And why did the company only take one container of Claire’s blood? And why did Mohindar shoot Bennet when they were wanting Claire to cooperate with them? And why didn’t Peter just read Adam’s mind to know Adam’s intentions?

First season was better because inconsistencies like these weren’t obvious.

I agree, volume 2 was a lot under what they built in season 1. i know the base idea of the show is to see people who discovers extraordinary habilities.
but what after ? (how do they use it in everyday’s life? do they help other or use it for themselves ?) the first volume showed us ten people like this and we followed them all the way to accept it and get their powers under control (use them wisely much of the time).
the writers created a group of individuals, a core, that serves as inspirations. they have a lot of potentials and possibilities of growth. Season 1 made them save the world (NY’s bomb), have a greater goal than their little lives to help mankind. it sounds idealistik i know but that’s what i was hoping for the caracters in volume 2. Help mankind at their own levels of course. And as realistic as possible.

At the beginning of volume 2, i was delighted to see Claire searching for a way to help others with her habilities (wasted by her father). DL became fireman to be a hero to his son, to use his power to help. Micah and Monica too. Niki was seeking redemption in working for the compagny. Hiro wished from the beginning to be a savior.
I was disapointed with the behavior of Peter and Hiro. They acted against what we saw in volume 1. Hiro betrayed Kensei/Adam first (Hiro worshiped Kensei all his life). Peter shows no remorse in doing adam’s commands (Peter is a good soul, he would save one girl/cheerleader in exchange for his life). but it’s excusable, humans are unpredictable and they had reasons to do it.

Sylar’s returns was no surprise but god, he is so creepy (”i’m back” makes shivers) and i totally agree, it’s so not like him to have companions but he is a real master at manipulation so it’s not impossible that he wants an army protecting him (he knows they will look for him). I like the new title of volume 3 “vilains” better than “exodus”. Heroes crew have lots of ennemies yet unknown. Sylar, the compagny, the mysterious shooter (it would be horrible if it’s really HRG), Adam (i think they will not let him out so soon) and others. it’s promising.

I was kinda prepared for Niki’s death but if she comes back in Jessica i will not scream because Jessica is a really interesting plot (i wasn’t sure she was really dead). But i find hard to accept the death of 2 main caracters like that.
Like Willie said, it’s a terrible mistake to “erase” Nathan Petreli because he was so irreplacable : the balance between his brother (the dreamer) and him (the realist) was a great piece of the action mechanism. Their relationship (trust/love/confidence), their bond is a vital part of the show i think. Nathan holds great potential both as a hero figure as a man leader. I’m totally against his death ! Killing 2 heroes (1 wounded) isn’t the best idea. Because each hero as fans and their fans watch the show, if their favorite hero is out : will they be as interested as before ?

“Generations” didn’t gave us much clues about the heroes’ parents as we hoped (powers, first meeting, actions, separation, aims).

Heroes is a great show and i love watching it. I was a little disapointed by volume 2 but i enjoyed it nevertheless.

Maybe this Drucker guy I’ve heard about makes th cut into Sylar’s legion(Mr. D has Hana Gitelman’s ability)

Ordinary people who develop special abilities, kind of makes me wonder about Angela Petrelli… What exactly are her abilities? I waited patiently throughout volume one and subsequently volume two to find out. Is her ability the blatant disregard she has for her son’s lives at one point or the other amidst tears? Or is it that she has none and was a member of “generations” by virtue of her husband? Then again what was the late Mr Petrelli’s ability? Cos it seems so weird that their sons should have such interesting abilites without any help from them.
As far as yours truly is concerned, she remins the shadiest character. I’m hoping against hope, that with volume three she will be unveiled.
I want DL back!!! At least for little Micah’s sake.

Sylar is busy with new star trek film. I think he can’t play in heroes vulume 3.

I love so much mohinder………. i would like to see him more in the volume 3…… i hope.

It in no way makes sense that Gabriel Gray aka Sylar would solicit the services of a villainous cadre of evolved humans. The only purpose he has burned into his deranged brain is to be the most special one of all. To that end, Sylar should want to (as in season 1)destroy ALL heroes and take their powers. If someone is raising an army, it would have to be someone like Adam Monroe. And for those of you who say, “Adam’s trapped in a casket, remember that we saw Mr. Bennett’s life return after a shot in the eye!

i am a bit disapointed with the fact that season 2 had only 11 episodes(which were not that good comparing with season 1) and there is a strike (amazing! writers could strike??? these things dont happen even in greece!!!!!). when the show will begin? i caint wait until september to start season 3. im waiting for past june for lost to begin and you are telling me that heroes ended before christmas?? come on. is not possible. do something. come on guys. be serious. i really love the show, in spite of some major script errors(and they are having a strike. GOD, are you watching?), and i do not want and i believe all of you to wait that long.

I’m waiting to watch episode 11 cos i’m in the UK and we don’t get series 2 till next summer
I don’t get what every1’s complaining about? I’ve totally loved the 2nd series, I enjoyed the introduction of new characters. And as for Hiro betraying Kensai, well we’ve all done silly things for love haven’t we? I mean you can’t help who you fall in love with! And Peter seems to have been manipulated by the guilt he felt over the whole bomb thing - every1 keeps tryin to use that to their advantage - and we must remember that Adam and Bob have been at this for much longer than Peter. Also after his memory loss are we sure Peter has got to grips with all his abilities again? Or maybe Adam is just better at shielding his thoughts because he was friends with Maury at one time, and as Angela Petrelli showed us, it is possible to keep people out.
If the producers of the show answered all our questions in one neat little bundle then what would be the point in watchin anymore???? We gotta trust that they know what they’re doing and just sit back and enjoy the show!!!!

oh and does anybody know if Bob has a power???? If you do could you please enlighten me?

Bob has an ability, in one episode he turned a spoon into gold. I hear he can re-arrange molecules into whatever material he wants..

it’s a shame that we simply can’t give heroes the same praise we gave it last season. and you guys are mostly right. you WRITERS copped OUT. and that is simply unforgivable. YOU HAVE LET US DOWN. the main arc took too long to develop, and this was not pulled off well ANYWAY.
the smaller ones were just not up to scratch.
i’m disappointed, simply.

well i loved volume1 i loved volume2 and i’m waiting for volume3
my two cents are: all that criticism just sucks
if you don’t like it don’t watch it
pietruch22

Am I the only one who doesn’t get the “We’ve introduced a cadre of [villains] over the course of the show” quote?
Sylar, Adam Monroe, Jessica, Maury Parkman… and the Nathan-shooter, I suppose. But still, it’s hardly a legion.

Hell…they never did find those I-pods……!!

Where’s the I-pods??

Genesis was full of mysteries.
but now we know all characters, their goals, their powers, their enemies, organizations ; Please keep a part of mystery, so we stay more focused on the next episodes.

I am 95% sure that Nathan shooter is Noah Bennett .. And he killed his daughter’s real father !

how the hell did emmabubble see season 2? I live in the UK aswell and season 1 just finished! This is a damn shame I feel so left out

i love heroes, but i hope they dont kill niki.
any way cant wait to see s3

i dont agree with the whole supposed villian “legion”. there wasn’t exactly a plethora of them in season 1 or 2. and most of you do say that heroes is nothing like xmen but for them to make a villian team and then of course a hero team??? soooounds a lot more like xmen than ever. but sylar isn’t exactly a team player. so i dont see how thats gonna work out. unless he backstabs the villians himself. i’d like to think that villians, excluding sylar, find each other the way the heroes do, and its bad vs good but sylar is in the middle, taking powers from the two sides and both sides get together and come down on him so he’s done for good. thatd be fun.

i feel bad for caitlin. ahahhahahahhaa.
generations sucked. most of it wasnt even about the parents, we had micah and monica’s almost pointless storyline, west and claire’s “climatic” relationship and the twins’ lame little journey. villians better be as good or better than season 1 or this show’s gonna be done for me, too. but i do in way think the strike is mostly to blame. it did cripple generations into 11 episodes. they did have to reshoot episode 11 to be finale worthy. speaking of which, nathan getting shot did leave me with my mouth open so yeah.

This volume of “generation” i guess must be talking about the old 70 generation of Linderman, Charles, Angila and Bob them working together to save the world.. Until now I think we haven’t know how and when they met each other in the past and what’s the big unfortunate happening that they have to save?..(besides the tsunami one..)..

anyone know what power Angila Pettreli has? and Chales? and Hiro’s father? The old generation heroes must have power also right? like Linderman has Healing power, Bob can turn spoon into gold, and Parkman got mind control power..

Well.. Hope to know their power…

If Peter really did see some of the original Company guys at dinners and stuff, does that not mean he would get all their powers? Also if Angela Petrelli had a power don’t you think Peter would be using it? Maybe they hadn’t manifested yet but, that does not explain about his mom. Also why would writers have a reason to strike?