Tim Kring Apologizes for Season 2 Mistakes

All this is a big shame. I hope that the next episodes will be more interesting.

I honestly dont think season 2 is as bad as people are making it out to be…I mean come on people, sure in different ways its not as great as season 1 was at points..but heroes is still so much better than most stuff on tv out there..

I’m also kinda sad to hear that some of the new cast won’t last longer than “Generations”. I mean just because they weren’t introduced properly doesn’t mean they can’t be used properly in the future right??

and I think maybe starting the whole Shanti Virus storyline in the premier might have been a little TOO quick..sure we didnt have to wait 7 episodes, but to start it directly in the premeir?..come on guys, the season 1 finale wasn’t THAT bad…

“THE PACE IS TOO SLOW”
Maybe a tad slow but not enough to complain.

“THE WORLD-SAVING STAKES SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED SOONER”
Ya, I agree with him there to a point. Ep. 1,2 - Intro new chars and sort of catch-up on old chars, Ep. 3 - Intro to ‘World-Saving Stakes’, Ep. 4,5,6,7 - some building up with ‘world-saving’ but maybe more focused on ‘nightmare man’ building up to ep. 7 where they lock him into his nightmare and finish that off. Ep. 8,9,10 - focused on building up of ‘world-saving’. Ep. 11 - Typical Finale episode.

“THE ROOKIES DIDN’T GREET THEMSELVES PROPERLY”
Monica wasn’t too bad because Micah was there so it’s very loosely connected. The Maya/Alejandro chars were with Sylar later on but i think they should have been scrapped. We still don’t really know how they fit in (if they will). But overall on this point: agreed.

“HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG”
I was quite suprised when Hiro didn’t go back the first time. I knew then and there that it was going to be dragged out too long without much really being done, and not much action to keep it exciting. It was a little interesting but I still think it would have been better if he went back the first time.

“YOUNG LOVE STINKS”
Hiro’s romance wasn’t bad. Sure it wasn’t great - but it wasn’t all that bad. Claire’s romance was kinda boring and weird but not horrible. Sam sums up the weirdness of the whole relationship in the Ep. Review: “…the creepy West has become even creepier by inviting himself to breakfast at the Bennet household. (When I do it, they call it stalking; when West does it, it’s cute. Go figure.)…” I think all/most of us agree with that.

I cannot yet figure out *why* Chapter 2 has been a let-down from Chapter 1. The same actors (well, a few new ones), the same creative forces, etc. should have continued the show’s phenomenal success. Weird. I suspect that forces beyond Kring’s control were in play….

Were I to be able to suggest any change to the show I would like to see it become edgier like The Shield…but then it couldn’t be an NBC show.

Yes, it could be worse.

The show could turn into Doctor Steve-O…like shown on an ad below the article.

I disagree with Tim. I have enjoyed the story so far, all of it, even 90210.

This season is great so far. If the pace is too fast you run out of good story too quickly. Part of the fun of a show like this is building suspense. I thinkt he pace is going well so far. I don’t have a problem that we’ve had disjointed characters and stories that haven’t connected yet. Season 1 worked the same way for a while. Give it time and everything will be worth it and connected. Seriously, Heroes fans just seem to have no patience. As a fan of Lost, one of the greatest and slowest moving shows on TV, Heroes is PLENTY fast paced enough for me. I don’t want it to get so fast paced that the depth of the story starts to suffer.

well hopefully vol 3 will learn from vol 2’s mistakes and start with a bang.

i would have to agree with our tom on this. maybe this season has panned out a little slower than its predecceser. however the season ROCKS LIKE A MUTHA!Yes storylines could have been developed a little quicker but every episode has left me thinking of what happens next.
with the worlwide success of season 1 kring and his writers are under immense pressure from NBC to carry this on with the same pace, even more so now with the current writers strike. but there is no shadow of a doubt that they have introduced new characters with potential ( Monica, Mr monroe )to tie in with the current stalwarts. I have faith (after all GENERATIONS was to end after 11 episodes but season 2 was originally for 23! chin up brothers and sisters. No matter what you say theyve done a bloody decent job so far…

The worst thing on the storyline was not commented. We know what will happen without the use of spoilers. It is too predictable. The ending of season 1 was totally unpredictable. We never thought that Nathan, who can only fly, would be the biggest hero in the end…

I enjoyed the Hiro storyline and actually found it to be one of the better parts of this season. What continues to bother me is you have regressive character development and characters failing to use logic (i.e. Matt Parkman and Claire). One would think Claire would learn lessons from the first episode and confront her father with the potential and inevitable confrontation between West and her Dad. Matt’s inability to sense danger (when he first met his father is irritating) and I am not a fan of Peter’s memory loss.

Please don’t jump my case, because I am in no way someone that expects instant gratification, however I do expect a consistant level of character development and plot progression which I have not seen until the seventh episode.

Hey, I’m sorry, but I’m going to agree with Tim on this one.

First off, wow. It simply amazes me when people are willing to say, “Oops. My bad. I’ll make it right next time.” I think that’s totally awesome.

Second, the pace IS too slow. Personally, I think that’s because we’ve had to deal with too many (seemingly) disconnected storylines at once. I mean, if I could sit down and make volume two into a marathon, I think it would be pretty cool. As is, only advancing this storyline for ten minutes during this episode, then that storyline for another five — it’s kind of felt like one of those daytime soap operas. Maybe if we just focused on two (MAYBE three) storylines per episode in the future?

Third, Monica’s a great addition; far from distracting from the original cast, she’s actually helped develop Micah. Maya and Alejandro? Not so much.

Fourth, too many bad guys. Sorry fandom, but I don’t think Sylar should have been reintroduced during volume two; save his bad self for a third volume resurrection of sorts. I think a “Nightmare Man” = worse than Sylar stroyline (which, at the end of last season seemed to be what the writers were going for), is really cheapened by bringing Sylar right back into the thick of it. Further, Sylar, one of the coolest characters of season one, is cheapened by being the “second-tier” bad guy.

Finally, commenting on Monday’s episode, if Nathan DOES die during volume two, I’ll be upset. I HATE it when writers resurrect characters just to give them a lame death. I don’t think the *presumed* death scene at the end of volume one could ever be topped for that character — Nathan, the calculating politician who could only fly, proved to be the noblest hero of all. Not that Adrian hasn’t been awesome this season; I’d prefer he stay on for the rest of the series. I’m just saying, if they made Nathan survive a nuke just to die because of some super-cold he caught, I will NOT be pleased.

with the exception of 2 and 3 and a little bit of 1 and 4 the season wasnt bad. 2 and 3 could have been made into one episode but he is being a bit hard on himself

episodes 2 and 3 and part of 4 were only the slow ones all the rest are on pace and everyone else doesnt know what they are talking about

I’m surprised and impressed that he admitted these things, all of which I agree with, except that I really like Monica and her introduction. As for the Wonder Twins, their only interest is from association with Sylar. My only complaint he didn’t touch upon is that season two doesn’t distinguish itself enough from its predecessor. There are some parallels that are close enough to make the story feel tired—Hiro’s ill-fated love interest (and while Charlie was compelling and sweet, the “princess” is clichéd), Claire versus “mean cheerleader” (at least Jackie had a personality), Peter’s confused self-discovery (more literal this season, but a strong theme last time as well), ZOMG Apocalyptic future. On the other hand, Nathan, who was compelling and interesting last season, is even more so now. Same thing for Matt. Mohinder is just as interesting this season, which is to say very. The twist of Sylar being powerless is great start, but I wish they’d take it somewhere already.

I actually wish Sylar had more screen time and more story, but that’s a personal bias….wouldn’t it be cool if his “patient zero” status made him indispensable in fighting the virus somehow? And Mohinder would have to work with him, and you know Sylar wouldn’t do it for nothing. Maybe a trade, he’d be Mohinder’s guinea pig if Mo will help him regain his powers. That’d be a pretty emotionally charged partnership. Save the psychopathic serial killer, save the world! Sorry for the random rambling….

I’m a bit lost, but I do understand the comments Kring makes. I agree with him on the whole Clarie-West thing. Actually, Claire’s storyline so far has been so typical high school. I feel like they took bits and pieces of every other high school show out there and combined them to make her storyline work with the rest of the show. And yes, Hiro’s time in Japan was a bit too long, but there seems to be no reason for him to hate Hiro-Princess. I thought Hiro falling in love was cute.
As for the whole Sylar in Mexico deal, i really don’t like that at all. I mean, for him to just “happen” to come across Maya and Alejandro like that and they just “happen”to save him (and at the same time break the US border) seems too farfetched for the show.
There is just too much confusion for everything right now to make the kid of sense Season One made. Hopefully Kring goes back and fixes it before everything gets way too much for the viewers.

i think the problem with the twins is that their power is awkward and unnatural. their problem of getting into the country was also long and boring but like i said before this season is still good with the exception of episdode 2, 3, and some parts of 4

if i was to compare chapters 1 to 7 in season 1 to chapters 1 to 7 in season 2, the season 2 has shown tons and heaps of special effects, heroes using their abilities much more,(pretty much in every scene) except for sylar. because its a new season again, its gotta build up again like season 1, its because fans expect the show to be in the same tone and boat as the second half of the season 1.. remember this show is a drama first and a sci-fi second. its the drama that gives this storyline otherwise if characters are just gonna keep fighting and killing each other its just gonna be a good old fashion sci-fi - cool special effects but no storyline. so for ALL of you fans upset at where this is going, dont watch it, were lucky to even have a show like this…. respect it and dont expect a lot…

I kinda agree. Many episodes were wasted just like that. They could have made it more fast paced, like they are making it now. The Wonder Twins should have been introduced like Monica(Micah-in-New Orleans storyline). Also it would have been easier to associate them and Sylar’s entry wasn’t that great and it looks as if he’s left out of the show. With Adam/T.K, Shanti virus armageddon, Suresh vs HRG(maybe) and more interesting storylines and ‘villains’ coming up, I doubt if Sylar will be regarded as the notorious brain-eater again. I hope they make Sylar good and Maya bad and somehow associate Maya with Mr.Monroe. The ultimate villainic duo.

yeah kill the twins… but let peter absorb their abilities 1st…because that is what would usually/probably would happen cause they wouldnt want their power to die.

Also the reason heroes is so great is because they always show us the future 1st and lead up to it. Like when they killed off issac they made peter paint the future a lot suddenly or they would say yah issac painted these before he died. Doesnt he pant things in cronological order? whats up with that?! and hes dead so stop bring the future paintings back.

The season just felt too … disconnected. Seven episodes into the season, we still don’t know how relevant Maya/Alejandro/Sylar are. Clair also doesn’t appear to have any relevance to the main story yet.

Character introduction worked in Season 1 because it was new AND there does appear to be an immediate connection between characters. They established the connection chains at the very first episode with HRG/Claire, Suresh/Peter, HRG/Suresh, Peter/Isaac, Peter/Nathan as well as the tone of the season (nuclear blast).

Season 2 started off nicely, getting the main characters in there and some intrigue going on. It was promising. By the second episode though, you start asking “what’s the point?” but you don’t get an answer.

Hopefully they get their act together for Chapter 3. I really do like this show enough to hate to see it go away.

I can agree that the pacing is a little off. Not horribly slow, but perhaps a bit out of order. I don’t agree that the virus should have been introduced on the premier. I think the premier should have been the episode they’re getting ready to play labeled 4 months ago. Hiro needed to go back to Japan, and I’m not disappointed by the storyline there, I’m more disappointed that Hiro turned back into a bumbling idiot. Where’s the bad-ass Samurai with the soul patch? Sure, the world isn’t going to blow up anymore, but Hiro had potential.

Claire and West is ok. There needed to be some normality in her life aside from just being a cheerleader.

The newbies are ok, but they really need to be fleshed out more as far as what roles they might play. If they’re just going to be cannon fodder in the grand scheme of things, then sure, I can understand that. Monica becomes a guinea pig for the company and Maya and Alejandro get sucked into a Sylar mistake. Ok, I can see that happening, but a decent amount of story has been invested in them with little clarity on what their importance is.

My biggest complaint isn’t about the show itself, its about NBC as a whole. Can I PLEASE get more than 3 minutes of Heroes before you cut to yet another commercial break? I understand you need to put million dollar meals on the table, but C’MON.

They will end the show at episode 11 if all the writers go on strike so we’re screwed. No point arguing about this now.

He should apologize for recycling so much from season one. He should be ashamed of the whole time travel catastrophe that needs to be stopped.

Also apologize for bringing so many characters back from the dead. That makes me want to pull my hair out. Let the dead rest in peace.

Season 1 was fine, but still wish it had a bigger bang. Season 2 needs to build the character stronger, not lost, come on, they know they have powers and they can make a difference. Claire oughta outgrew her wants and Matt, dang, from clumsy officer to instant mind controller! (Too fast). Needs to be consistent. Peter. Peter definitely need to realize his power and really start to use them, don’t give us a rethread by way of amnesia. Sure he can still be the TLC guy, just give him an edge. I agree that if Noah Bennett is killed, most of the cast are pansies. The Wonder Twins and Sylar better work or I be pissed. And where is Hiro in all of this other than starting the mess back in feudal Japan. Monica was a nice addition. Her character has potential. She also seem smart and strong, both physically and mentally.

My only complaint is ending the season sooner than it should, because of the strike.

You know I don’t think the season is that bad, but I hate the subtitles. Really hate them. By the time this show comes on I have usually moved to the bedroom where I have a smaller TV. Well, if the episode is very heavy on subtitles I end up turning it off, I can’t read them so I can’t be bothered.

Im a huge fan of Heros. ts the ONLY show besides Carnivale I’ve ever watched every episdoe. But im very upset with volume 2. Considering how slow this season has started out, im wonder how fast is this season going to end. Fitting the rest of the season in 3 more shows is going to be tough. Good Luck Hiro and Ando.

I’m glad to see I was not the only one thinking season two was somewhat boring and disappointing, so far. There is so much which could be done with the original characters without having to introduce lame ones. I definitely enjoy “Heroes” and hope to see a stronger and quicker story line develop. With that said…how about Ando developing a power of his own, good or bad, it would be interesting to see how that would affect the relationship with Hiro. PS: Bleeding black ooze from your eyes killing people, having it turned off by your brother, then going somewhere else to do it again, is not interesting or relevant even when linked to a major character.

I’m a newcomer to the show Heroes. My sister came home with the entire first season and I’ve been hooked since I saw the first episode. I’ve been watching the second season online and I have to say I’ve got no complaints at all. I think Heroes is an awesome new and unique show. Don’t take the show for granted. I know there’s a lot of shows on television these days that are in my opinion absolutely insane with all the drama that they squeeze into each episode. That I think is more annoying than anything. I love this show. It’s awesome and I hope they don’t change it.

heroes has been immense so far
all the “mistakes” underlined has made
heroes enjoyable to watch and helps
us to understand the characters better..
tim kring mentioned that THE ROOKIES DIDN’T GREET THEMSELVES PROPERLY < this adds to the
mystery behind them and therefore he can slowly build on them..
overall, the world wouldn’t be the same without heroes and i think we all agree!