Tim Kring Apologizes for Season 2 Mistakes

This is interesting. Apparently Heroes creator Tim Kring is apologizing for how he has developed Season 2 over the last seven episodes. In a phone interview with Entertainment Weekly from the picket line (yes, Tim Kring is picketing his own show via the writers strike), Kring talks candidly about everything from poorly introducing the new characters to allowing the first handful of episodes to fester uninterestingly instead of introducing the Shanti Virus armageddon plotline sooner — like in the first episode of Season 2. It’s actually pretty stunning that Kring is saying all this, but declining ratings and poor reception from new and old fans alike may have been the reason.

From the EW article:

THE PACE IS TOO SLOW
”We assumed the audience wanted season 1 — a buildup of intrigue about these characters and the discovery of their powers. We taught [them] to expect a certain kind of storytelling. They wanted adrenaline. We made a mistake.”

THE WORLD-SAVING STAKES SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED SOONER
The premonition of nuclear apocalypse created a larger context that unified every story line last season. Kring now sees that Volume 2 (the first 11 episodes of season 2) would have been better served if Peter’s vision of viral Armageddon had appeared in the season premiere rather than episode 7. ”We took too long to get to the big-picture story,” he says.

THE ROOKIES DIDN’T GREET THEMSELVES PROPERLY
New Heroes Monica (Dana Davis), Maya (Dania Ramirez), and Alejandro (Shalim Ortiz) ”shouldn’t have been introduced in separate story lines that felt unattached to the show. The way we introduced Elle (Kristen Bell) — by weaving her in via Peter’s story line — is a more logical way to bring new characters into the show.” (That said, Kring says a few newbies won’t make it beyond this second volume, which wraps Dec. 3.)

HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG
Hiro’s (Masi Oka) time-bending adventure in 17th-century Japan — where he mentored samurai hero Takezo Kensei (David Anders) — finally came to an end on Nov. 5. But Kring says it ”should have [lasted] three episodes. We didn’t give the audience enough story to justify the time we allotted it.”

YOUNG LOVE STINKS
Kring regrets sticking Claire (Hayden Panettiere) with a super-dud boyfriend and forcing Hiro to moon over a cutesy princess. ”I’ve seen more convincing romances on TV,” he admits. ”In retrospect, I don’t think romance is a natural fit for us.”

I personally don’t agree with the Hiro-in-Japan excuse. I really enjoyed that storyline. I do agree with everything else. The new characters were so random in nature that it didn’t make sense. Likewise with the Shanti Virus doom scenario. It got sprung on us out of nowhere. And yes, as most of you know, I was never a big fan of Claire-West, aka Heroes 90210.

Despite all that, the fact that Tim Kring is accepting these points as “mistakes” gives me good reason to believe Heroes will get better. It couldn’t get any worst, could it?


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  • http://jonysatie.googlepages.com/ JoNy_SaTié

    All this is a big shame. I hope that the next episodes will be more interesting.

  • http://jonysatie.googlepages.com JoNy_SaTié

    All this is a big shame. I hope that the next episodes will be more interesting.

  • Anonymous

    I honestly dont think season 2 is as bad as people are making it out to be…I mean come on people, sure in different ways its not as great as season 1 was at points..but heroes is still so much better than most stuff on tv out there..

    I’m also kinda sad to hear that some of the new cast won’t last longer than “Generations”. I mean just because they weren’t introduced properly doesn’t mean they can’t be used properly in the future right??

    and I think maybe starting the whole Shanti Virus storyline in the premier might have been a little TOO quick..sure we didnt have to wait 7 episodes, but to start it directly in the premeir?..come on guys, the season 1 finale wasn’t THAT bad…

  • Benjamin

    I honestly dont think season 2 is as bad as people are making it out to be…I mean come on people, sure in different ways its not as great as season 1 was at points..but heroes is still so much better than most stuff on tv out there..

    I’m also kinda sad to hear that some of the new cast won’t last longer than “Generations”. I mean just because they weren’t introduced properly doesn’t mean they can’t be used properly in the future right??

    and I think maybe starting the whole Shanti Virus storyline in the premier might have been a little TOO quick..sure we didnt have to wait 7 episodes, but to start it directly in the premeir?..come on guys, the season 1 finale wasn’t THAT bad…

  • Dave

    “THE PACE IS TOO SLOW”
    Maybe a tad slow but not enough to complain.

    “THE WORLD-SAVING STAKES SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED SOONER”
    Ya, I agree with him there to a point. Ep. 1,2 – Intro new chars and sort of catch-up on old chars, Ep. 3 – Intro to ‘World-Saving Stakes’, Ep. 4,5,6,7 – some building up with ‘world-saving’ but maybe more focused on ‘nightmare man’ building up to ep. 7 where they lock him into his nightmare and finish that off. Ep. 8,9,10 – focused on building up of ‘world-saving’. Ep. 11 – Typical Finale episode.

    “THE ROOKIES DIDN’T GREET THEMSELVES PROPERLY”
    Monica wasn’t too bad because Micah was there so it’s very loosely connected. The Maya/Alejandro chars were with Sylar later on but i think they should have been scrapped. We still don’t really know how they fit in (if they will). But overall on this point: agreed.

    “HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG”
    I was quite suprised when Hiro didn’t go back the first time. I knew then and there that it was going to be dragged out too long without much really being done, and not much action to keep it exciting. It was a little interesting but I still think it would have been better if he went back the first time.

    “YOUNG LOVE STINKS”
    Hiro’s romance wasn’t bad. Sure it wasn’t great – but it wasn’t all that bad. Claire’s romance was kinda boring and weird but not horrible. Sam sums up the weirdness of the whole relationship in the Ep. Review: “…the creepy West has become even creepier by inviting himself to breakfast at the Bennet household. (When I do it, they call it stalking; when West does it, it’s cute. Go figure.)…” I think all/most of us agree with that.

  • Dave

    “THE PACE IS TOO SLOW”
    Maybe a tad slow but not enough to complain.

    “THE WORLD-SAVING STAKES SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED SOONER”
    Ya, I agree with him there to a point. Ep. 1,2 – Intro new chars and sort of catch-up on old chars, Ep. 3 – Intro to ‘World-Saving Stakes’, Ep. 4,5,6,7 – some building up with ‘world-saving’ but maybe more focused on ‘nightmare man’ building up to ep. 7 where they lock him into his nightmare and finish that off. Ep. 8,9,10 – focused on building up of ‘world-saving’. Ep. 11 – Typical Finale episode.

    “THE ROOKIES DIDN’T GREET THEMSELVES PROPERLY”
    Monica wasn’t too bad because Micah was there so it’s very loosely connected. The Maya/Alejandro chars were with Sylar later on but i think they should have been scrapped. We still don’t really know how they fit in (if they will). But overall on this point: agreed.

    “HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG”
    I was quite suprised when Hiro didn’t go back the first time. I knew then and there that it was going to be dragged out too long without much really being done, and not much action to keep it exciting. It was a little interesting but I still think it would have been better if he went back the first time.

    “YOUNG LOVE STINKS”
    Hiro’s romance wasn’t bad. Sure it wasn’t great – but it wasn’t all that bad. Claire’s romance was kinda boring and weird but not horrible. Sam sums up the weirdness of the whole relationship in the Ep. Review: “…the creepy West has become even creepier by inviting himself to breakfast at the Bennet household. (When I do it, they call it stalking; when West does it, it’s cute. Go figure.)…” I think all/most of us agree with that.

  • Mathsorcerer

    I cannot yet figure out *why* Chapter 2 has been a let-down from Chapter 1. The same actors (well, a few new ones), the same creative forces, etc. should have continued the show’s phenomenal success. Weird. I suspect that forces beyond Kring’s control were in play….

    Were I to be able to suggest any change to the show I would like to see it become edgier like The Shield…but then it couldn’t be an NBC show.

  • Mathsorcerer

    I cannot yet figure out *why* Chapter 2 has been a let-down from Chapter 1. The same actors (well, a few new ones), the same creative forces, etc. should have continued the show’s phenomenal success. Weird. I suspect that forces beyond Kring’s control were in play….

    Were I to be able to suggest any change to the show I would like to see it become edgier like The Shield…but then it couldn’t be an NBC show.

  • Sub

    Yes, it could be worse.

    The show could turn into Doctor Steve-O…like shown on an ad below the article.

    I disagree with Tim. I have enjoyed the story so far, all of it, even 90210.

  • Sub

    Yes, it could be worse.

    The show could turn into Doctor Steve-O…like shown on an ad below the article.

    I disagree with Tim. I have enjoyed the story so far, all of it, even 90210.

  • David

    This season is great so far. If the pace is too fast you run out of good story too quickly. Part of the fun of a show like this is building suspense. I thinkt he pace is going well so far. I don’t have a problem that we’ve had disjointed characters and stories that haven’t connected yet. Season 1 worked the same way for a while. Give it time and everything will be worth it and connected. Seriously, Heroes fans just seem to have no patience. As a fan of Lost, one of the greatest and slowest moving shows on TV, Heroes is PLENTY fast paced enough for me. I don’t want it to get so fast paced that the depth of the story starts to suffer.

  • David

    This season is great so far. If the pace is too fast you run out of good story too quickly. Part of the fun of a show like this is building suspense. I thinkt he pace is going well so far. I don’t have a problem that we’ve had disjointed characters and stories that haven’t connected yet. Season 1 worked the same way for a while. Give it time and everything will be worth it and connected. Seriously, Heroes fans just seem to have no patience. As a fan of Lost, one of the greatest and slowest moving shows on TV, Heroes is PLENTY fast paced enough for me. I don’t want it to get so fast paced that the depth of the story starts to suffer.

  • nosssweat

    well hopefully vol 3 will learn from vol 2′s mistakes and start with a bang.

  • nosssweat

    well hopefully vol 3 will learn from vol 2′s mistakes and start with a bang.

  • alb

    i would have to agree with our tom on this. maybe this season has panned out a little slower than its predecceser. however the season ROCKS LIKE A MUTHA!Yes storylines could have been developed a little quicker but every episode has left me thinking of what happens next.
    with the worlwide success of season 1 kring and his writers are under immense pressure from NBC to carry this on with the same pace, even more so now with the current writers strike. but there is no shadow of a doubt that they have introduced new characters with potential ( Monica, Mr monroe )to tie in with the current stalwarts. I have faith (after all GENERATIONS was to end after 11 episodes but season 2 was originally for 23! chin up brothers and sisters. No matter what you say theyve done a bloody decent job so far…

  • alb

    i would have to agree with our tom on this. maybe this season has panned out a little slower than its predecceser. however the season ROCKS LIKE A MUTHA!Yes storylines could have been developed a little quicker but every episode has left me thinking of what happens next.
    with the worlwide success of season 1 kring and his writers are under immense pressure from NBC to carry this on with the same pace, even more so now with the current writers strike. but there is no shadow of a doubt that they have introduced new characters with potential ( Monica, Mr monroe )to tie in with the current stalwarts. I have faith (after all GENERATIONS was to end after 11 episodes but season 2 was originally for 23! chin up brothers and sisters. No matter what you say theyve done a bloody decent job so far…

  • Bernardo

    The worst thing on the storyline was not commented. We know what will happen without the use of spoilers. It is too predictable. The ending of season 1 was totally unpredictable. We never thought that Nathan, who can only fly, would be the biggest hero in the end…

  • Bernardo

    The worst thing on the storyline was not commented. We know what will happen without the use of spoilers. It is too predictable. The ending of season 1 was totally unpredictable. We never thought that Nathan, who can only fly, would be the biggest hero in the end…

  • Jonathan

    I enjoyed the Hiro storyline and actually found it to be one of the better parts of this season. What continues to bother me is you have regressive character development and characters failing to use logic (i.e. Matt Parkman and Claire). One would think Claire would learn lessons from the first episode and confront her father with the potential and inevitable confrontation between West and her Dad. Matt’s inability to sense danger (when he first met his father is irritating) and I am not a fan of Peter’s memory loss.

    Please don’t jump my case, because I am in no way someone that expects instant gratification, however I do expect a consistant level of character development and plot progression which I have not seen until the seventh episode.

  • Jonathan

    I enjoyed the Hiro storyline and actually found it to be one of the better parts of this season. What continues to bother me is you have regressive character development and characters failing to use logic (i.e. Matt Parkman and Claire). One would think Claire would learn lessons from the first episode and confront her father with the potential and inevitable confrontation between West and her Dad. Matt’s inability to sense danger (when he first met his father is irritating) and I am not a fan of Peter’s memory loss.

    Please don’t jump my case, because I am in no way someone that expects instant gratification, however I do expect a consistant level of character development and plot progression which I have not seen until the seventh episode.