Speak Out: How Would YOU Solve Heroes’ Problems?
In the aftermath of the firing of Heroes producers/writers Jeph Loeb and Jesse Alexander (it has now been revealed that Tim Kring himself did the firing, albeit at the pressuring of NBC), Tim Kring has once again been forced to publicly bow down to criticism concerning his show in the face of declining ratings. (FYI: Heroes is averaging 10.4 million viewers for its third season, even taking into account delayed DVR numbers, compared to 14.3 million for its first year, and 13.1 million in its second, strike-shortened season.) Much of the “problem”, it’s been said, rests in the season’s storylines, which according to general consensus have become too complex and the twists and turns too convoluted for your average viewer. Along the way, the main characters seem to have gotten lost or inexplicably altered amidst all the changing allegiances, new bad guys, and new world-saving drama that seems to show up every episode.
In response to all the criticism, Variety reports that Tim Kring has promised to simply the show by taking a more active hand in the plotting and writing aspects:
Kring has assured NBC and Universal Media Studios brass that he intends to focus on simplifying what’s been criticized, even by ardent fans, as an overly complex storytelling structure to get back to the show’s comicbookish good vs. evil themes and to emphasize character development more than plot twists.
Insiders close to the situation emphasize that Kring has been a hands-on and diligent showrunner. The big problem is that the show’s large ensemble cast and intense f/x and post-production requirements suck up a lot of his time. And “Heroes,” already one of primetime’s priciest hours at $4 million-plus per seg, has been grappling with budget overruns.
Now, the thinking is that his focus is needed most in breaking stories and refining the tone of the show for the remainder of its third season.
But for now, put yourself in Tim Kring’s shoes: if you were Tim Kring, what would YOU do to solve the show’s deficiencies (perceived or otherwise)? Let’s hear your thoughts on the matter. Maybe someone at NBC will be reading what the REAL fans of the show thinks, besides what some fly-by-nighters on a TV Guide or an Entertainment Weekly article thinks.
Let’s hear your 2 cents, Heroes fans!
i think dey shud give peter his powers back an xplain y claire turns evil an y arthur isnt in the future an bring back adam monroe
well HEROES is one aweosme show,the concept is good,people loved season1,season 2 was not good season3 was better than 2 but not as good as 1.
based on what my friends and i have dicussed,we felt that the following can be done to improve on the show.
i hope nbc or tim kring can consider these suggestions after all what i say is brutally honest and what the poeple would want too.
1.think of a new plot not always the same ones and do not be draggy.as it gets draggy many people complained and thats why many people give up watching it
2.give peter back his powers,he is after all the main character so he MUST have his powers so that he can help people and prevent the world from being fallen into the wrong hands
3.do not keep making claire so EMO,i mean most of us will get tired of the am i still human speech of claire’s.she has been ranting on this since season1.peter can help her guide her and comfort her whenenever she is lost,after all claire’s hero is peter
4.do not corrupt suresh!after all he is the professor the one who researches and find cures.
5.maintain hiro’s funny side after all we all need to laugh too!
6.can bring back adam as he is after all the one who is quite knowledgeable
7.do not over add too many new characters on the show as i can get really confusing
8.put peter and claire in more scenes as mentioned in point 3 claire and peter has this awesome chemistry as uncle and niece and they understand one another best.they both can work together to save the world
9.explain the relationship in details about tracy strauss and nikki sanders
10.write off the haitian as he is really annoying he doesn’t talk much and all he does is get into the Heroes way
alright thats all i can suggest.i hope that nbc or tim will consider my ideas.i thought about this with a group of friends before suggesting.i myself is a heroes fan and i definitely wanna see the show getting its rave reviews and stay strong!
heroes is fine the way it is
I second that.. The writers of Heroes don’t need our help.. NBC, need to work out the problem, pay the writers and actors more, they are all very worth it.. This is THE BEST SHOW I HAVE EVER SEEN.. I admit 2 didn’t go so well, there was conflict with scrip strike from what I heard, but these guys work hard.. Heroes Season 3 Keeps Us on the EDGE of our Seat.. The BEST EVER.. THANK YOU WRITERS, ACTORS, AND NBC.. KEEP EM’ COMMING PLEASE..
THIS HERE IS BULL THO.. IF DON’T HAVE A GREAT REASON please Please please Please Bring em’ back, unless they have no part in making Season 3, 3 is the Best 1 was Good too
In the aftermath of the firing of Heroes producers/writers Jeph Loeb and Jesse Alexander (it has now been revealed that Tim Kring himself did the firing, albeit at the pressuring of NBC)
Um, okay, first and foremost, I disagree with Peter completely. He’s becomming too powerful. Eventually, nobody else will be able to compete. People like seeing individuality in abilities, and that worked incredibly well in the first season, before Peter met everyone. I think he should die soon. And ‘Write off the Haitian’!!! No!!! Do not write him off, he’s one of the coolest characters in the show!!! The haitian is an amazing character who, right now, is the only one who can really make the overpowered characters normal. Suresh is a perfect metaphore for power corrupts, and the maintaining the line between god’s domain and our own. His corruption is good, the way they implamented it was bad. Clair should also die, don’t care how, the chearleader no longer needs to be saved and she’s too overdramatic. I am a teenager and hate that mindless drivel. And Nikki and Tracy don’t need to be explained, they were sisters that never met. Separated at birth. No relationship to explore.
Okay, as for my own opinions on the show. I do believe that what you did in season one was perfect. You had the most bad ass villain out there in the form of Sylar, and his reasoning was human, it was believeable and creepy! He wanted to be something more! It made sense! Once that became part of his power, it went down a little, and once he became good… oh dear god… I was looking forward to Sylar this season. Anyway, back to my point. You had real people in season 1, you had the politition, the nurse, the painter, cubicle worker, you had real people in an amazing situation and managed to make their stories real. Even Peter and Nathan’s father’s supposed death was an amazing add on. Deouvox in particular, that was an incredible story. Season two, the story was still incredible, but people stopped liking it because, and I’m quoting a friend here ‘it’s getting too dramatic’ which I believe is total bull. But it shows you one simple fact, that what you were lacking was the action of a villain like Sylar. Adam Monroe was amazing, he was a villain on the level of Magneto just like Sylar was a villain on the level of the Joker, but you need crazy. Adam is a ring leader, the same as Magneto. The simple truth is, you need to bring Adam back. Bring him back and put him in charg of some superhuman gang. His story seemed incredibly real, and I felt for Adam.
Now, here’s the honest to god truth. You need to go back to gore. That’s what sinched season 1, Sylar’s gore. People need to die, for the love of god!! Nobody’s died in a season and a half, and you’ve had multiple opportunities to do so!! There’s no threat anymore! I mean, really, Isaac Mendez was a main character, and his head got chopped up. The thing is, and I remember this as an add and can see the difference in your writing style after season 1, you were going to mix up the cast and characters, new ones showing up all the time. When people liked your characters, you decided that was a bad idea, and tried to focus only on these characters. What this has accomplished is the basic comic book writing tool of trying to keep everybody alive, but that’s not working for you. You’re bringing in new characters all the time, and some people have to die. Even when you killed Nikki (Which I don’t believe for a second, miss ‘blown up without a burn mark on her’) you brought her back in the form of her twin sister Tracy. Granted, it brought on this season’s best plot developement yet, but it still felt holo. And the proof that you need to kill some of the old (I say Nathan, for Christ’s sake, he’s died enough times) is as simple as Micah’s cousin (Can’t for the life of me remember her name) only popped up in the vision of the future where she’s dead. She has a bad ass power. Too many people are getting thrown into the mix, and some need to die now.
My own belief is that you need to go back to telling the human story, and make it seem like real people are trying to make a difference in this world the best that they possibly can. Makes the story more real.
And, god damn it, make Mat a cop again. That’s when he was at his most interesting, and he was a cop for a full thirty seconds before being teleported to Africa this season.
Peter is Great, they ALL ARE
Have someone else for the heroes to fight other than themselves. Perhaps something like the xmen’s sentinals and some stand alone stories.
If I were Tim Kring, I’d be on the verge of a nervous breakdown…here are examples of comments I read daily from fans over the internet:
1. Powerless Peter sucks.
2. Peter is too powerful, kill him off.
3. Hiro is too silly.
4. Hiro needs to be sillier.
5. More Claire, less Claire, clone Claire, kill Claire!
6. Kill half the characters and re-boot.
7. Don’t you dare kill anyone! New characters suck.
8. Too much character development.
9. Too little character development.
10. Make it all about Sylar.
11. Sylar surviving season 1 has killed the show.
12. Stop bringing back the dead.
13. Bring back Adam and Maury!
And on and on and on…
good spoken, Ive thought about that aswell, it’s hard to please all the fans since we want different things, but here are the things I think the most of us can agree on:
Peter should probably have his powers back before episode 12 atleast..
It sucks that mohinder is a bug..
End some stories like what happened to the Hawkins family? Caitlin and such.
Other then that it was to much time traveling in the beginning but I really think Heroes is back on track and atleast I love what they are doing right now. It has some big potential the heroes vs villains concept.
Also it would be nice to bring back some awesome characters that I think the most of use miss, Like Claude(the invisible man), get to know the old generations powers Charles Deveraux power and such. But don’t bring back people from the dead though, that just makes things boring.
You see, that’s an issue though. What heroes did this season was get rid of a lot of the drama. They’re going for immediate effect only, and that’s what’s screwing it up. Season one had a perfect blend of season two and three, they need to stop breaking it down to find the perfect thing and just write for artistic expression. If you actually believe in these characters, then the story will be perfect, and if you don’t, find someoen who does.
amen.
season 3 doesnt have boring badly acted teen angst drama and has actual action scenes thus making it the best so far of the 3. news flash people season ones ending was ANTI-CLIMACTIC.
I aggree with you 100%
The fans must exept the fact that sometimes the storyline isn’t gonna go in the direction they want. The best thing to do is to wait. Personnaly I think that Heroes has done no wrong and I love the new season. The ONLY thing I don’t like is the whole Mohinder spider/bug… whatever. But I won’t stop watching the show just because of that.
EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN OPPIONS, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD ALL JUST WATCH AND LET THEM KEEP DOING GREAT
Go back to the roots wrap up some story lines a little more concisely. For instance Monica,Nikki,Micha &DL. The whole Caitlin affair. They get back to basic roots. Too much is being introduced @ one time. Things need to be completed. Before you bring in new things. I LOve the SHOW even the second season that a lot of fans thought was to short and quickly put together.
To save Heroes, Tim Kring needs to stop listening to all the whiners and just do what he feels is best for HIS show. Stick to his original concept. I think season two was pretty good, and season 3 rocks. I would prefer a simpler, back-to-basics approach, but overall I think they’re doing just fine.
I never had too much of a problem with Jeff Loeb on Heroes, but I HATE his comic book writing. He used to be good (Batman: The Long Halloween, Superman for All Seasons), but lately he is a complete hack (Ultimates 3, Hulk). It is probably for the best he is gone from the show.
I would suggest make Hiro more serious than funny because at this point no one is laughing.
I would put a major limitation on HIRO and PETER on there power that they can just teleport and NOT TIME TRAVEL. The whole Time travel thing is what is destroying the story line.
Hiro is funny and time travel is interesting. Let the man (Kring) have his vision. The show was always better then any other show, even when people were complaining. Maybe the show should just be cancelled as too many people seem unsatisfied.
Personally i think that they focus too much on the whole time travel thing, in season 1 it was cool because it was new. In Season 2 it was still kinda cool but was like ‘here we go again’. Now in Season 3 its like ‘Cant you guys find something new to base a storyline around?’. like maybe they could focus on certain characters and give them a nemesis, like the way peter and sylar were in season 1, after all everyone likes to see people fight over old grudges.
They should focus more on character relationships and power developement, still make them fight but make it against really evil guys who have serious issues, like Doyle, that guys creepy as!
but yeah the time travel thing is starting to get old and they need to focus on the present a little more.
My opinions are:
1)Give Peter back his powers.
2)Stop Claire’s whining about she can no longer feel pain and have her work with Peter to understand that what happened was terrible but be happy that you can still feel with your emotions.
3)EXPLAIN THE WHOLE NIKKI/TRACY/BARBARA/JESSICA THING. Honestly its super confusing and I could care less.
4)Lets find out how Peter got the freaking scar and why Claire is evil in the future.
5)Wrap up the plot lines that haven’t been finished and move on.
6)STOP BRINGING IN NEW CHARACTERS! KEEP IT SIMPLE! THE HEROES THE VILLIANS. (Personally, get rid of Maya…)
The biggest “problem” with Heroes is; it’s just to hip for the room. People have become so spoon-fed that they have all but lost the ability (no pun intended) to follow something that demands that you pay attention to the story line. The dumbing down of our society is ever apparent, we have become the Mtv generation and can only follow very small portions of anything that makes you think. If Heroes was only on the Sci-Fi channel it may be doing much better in the ratings because viewers on Sci-Fi come in with an understanding of how a comic book works and can keep up with the story lines.
It’s astounding that so many people who used to love the show cant grasp that there is a very unique story arc happening that’s all due to the butterfly effect.. Peter screwed up and has changed everything by coming back to the past to try to help. We must keep in mind that this is the hub of the story.
In this light, I’m forced to agree with Maj, the time travel arc is just to much for the average viewer to keep up with.
STOP LISTENING TO THE FANS!! everytime they take on board fan critism and change something to suit the fans, the fans dont like it. i.e season 2 was to slow make it faster, so they have made season 3 faster pasted, the fans go its to fast!
1. Make Sylar evil again. Period. Ruthless, homicidal, unstoppable.
Namely the guy we came to either hate or want to be. You want to make a live action comic? A comic is only as good as it’s best villain.
2. Nathan’s useless. Kill him off, make Peter the politician. He’s full of crap anyway. The “Claire’s daddy” b.s has run it’s course.
Speaking of Claire, give her a real power or dust her. Annoying.
3. South American chick’s gone? GOOD. Leave her gone. I was all for Suresh going Cure’s “Lullaby” on her. Speaking of Suresh, would someone finally make him the Prof X stand-in already?
4. Speedster chick’s annoying. Have her try to phase through a wall like the Flash and get stuck in it.
5. Bring back Nikki. Double the Ali Larter, double your pleasure, double your fun.
And that would be a good segue into…
6. We’re left wondering what the hell happened to Micah… I was so looking forward to him becoming the “Forge” of the gang.
7. Taking Peter’s powers was a great idea. Now, take it to the next level. With Sylar evil again, give Peter his power to emulate abilities again, but have him go on a quest to find better, more exotic powers than Sylar so he can defeat him (or try to).
8. More sex. Seriously. Steamy goodness. Get your core 18-35 demographic back.
9. Linderman? gone. Daddy Petrelli? gone. Mommy Petrelli? Now, there ya go.
10. Give Hiro some limitations, and an enemy that is as powerful as he is; Speedster chick as “nemesis” and Adam are/were jokes. Also, have him run into an entity or someone who gives him mandatory temporal regulation. He keeps breaking his self imposed rules. And yes, Ando must go. He’s pointless. Finally, if you’re going to make “Dark Hiro” like we saw on the subway in S1, get on with it already.
I think Sylar is more interesting and unpredictable as a good guy. When he was bad, he killed people and took their powers-Thats it. Its bad and evil but he has no other option in that storyline. No ties to villains, no ties to good guys. He’s a loner in that story and that gets boring. Now he’s good but not complete, and thats the best part. The guy that can go either way. Many more options and twists with this Sylar.
Im thinking the problem this season is that they’re jumping backwards and forwards in time and not focusing enough on the present and getting to explanations about the past/future fast enough.
Also the introduction of the villains added something special, i liked the bank scenes, but now its taking 3-4 episodes to form sides? I mean come on, it shouldn’t take that long… The quicker the teams are drawn the faster the battles can commence and we all love the battles!
Also the lines are so blurred on whos good and whose evil in terms of The Company and Pinehearst. After 2 seasons of The Company being the thing Heroes have to be afraid of they introduce Pinehearst? I don’t get what they’re trying to do there.
I hope it doesn’t get cancelled before a season 4, but its seeming more and more likely.
Blurring the lines of good and evil is exactly the point of Season 3. The title “Villains” doesn’t mean that the heroes fight a set of clear-cut villains. The title “Villains” means that any hero could also be a villain. We aren’t having a simplistic, tune-in for the flashy battles, show. We are having a complex show about moral ambiguity. We are having a show where there is no good and evil, only two different opinions about how to best help the world.
It’s about the mystery. It’s great!
i agree with Aled. although i thought season 2 was ok but a bit slow and season 3 is great so far, all the fans are going to want differnt things and no body is going to be able to agree so there is no point in listening to us!! they just have to do whatever they think is right and hope that everyone likes it!!
the only problem is the bad publicity..in my country there are some sick people who hate such series as LOST, Heroes or Prison Break they say they’re rubbish..one of my friends said that LOST is a reality-show -.-”
All I can really add is that they need go give characters real motivations the viewers can buy. stop focusing so much on powers and start working on character development. don’t move the season too fast or too slow, right now its too fast for its own good. so it needs to slow down, but not to the point where it gets repetitive (season 2).
also, don’t make everyone gray. we need people to root for and love to hate. there can be a few gray people, but don’t make nearly the entire cast that way.
I agree. There needs to be at least one major villian (daddy petrelli and maybe mama too), some minor villians (Doyle, knox, flint or like them), and solid heroes. But some can be gray. I personally like the idea of Sylar being a lone wolf, being good or bad depending on what benefits him and also his state of self control at that time.
I think they need to make Hiro and Peter start to smarten up. They, especially when both could travel in time, are frankly too stupid to have such a power. Either limit this power or make Hiro (and Peter if he ever obtains it again) wiser.
More action scenes (about one per episode or one every other episode at least).
It is ok to introduce characters for small story arcs (2-4 episode deals) as side stories. Just do not go overboard. These can also be things which have people like the Haitian, Claude, Molly, Micah and Monica. It will keep them involved and probably fans of them happier.
Overall, it is hard to say what people want. We are a diverse group and there is no way everyone will be pleased.
i think the last episode on the season should not be a to be continue… episode they should explain everything wierd and all the questions allmost like in buffy. Like in season 2 everybody is asking who shot nathan, will nathan survive what happend to nikki is she dead, and in the first season everybody asks what happend to peter and nathan did they die, what happend to sylar is he dead and DL does he die is nikkis jessica gone i mean all these questions is just anyoing i realy love heroes its the best show ever
I like Season 3 and I enjoyed Season 2 more than Season 1.
1. Kill of Sylar, we get it he is evil. Time for him to go and bring a new villain into the mix.
2. Kill of Peter, if not then rename to show to The Petrelli Family.
3. Kill of Hiro and Ando because of all the plot holes and Ando is useless.
4. Make Claire evil like in the S3 future episodes because the whole teenage cheer leading raw-raw-raw is boring and annoying.
5. Bring back Micah and Monica because they were also great characters from season one and two, they should of left Maya alone after Sylar shot her.
6. Have a flash back with all the 12 company founders and on the next week kill the ones that are alive.
I guess that is all the things that I think that need improving or some cuts need to be made.
Micha and Monica were terrible characters. Monica is a horrible actress. Sylar > Monica and Micha.
agree with Fimbs up there. there no real clear WANT out of the heroes fans. everyone is pretty much scattered on what they want.
i say tim kring should just keep trucking on. yes there are some nuances that need refinement such as.
1. EVERY hero should be important. or at least we should feel their story line is important, not that their time on screen is pointless. this is one of the main reasons that everyone started to hate the ‘japan’ story from season 2 or the matt parkman & wife story from season 1. they either dragged on too long and or didnt provide enough character depth or plot furthering. right now… we can actually say that about many ’side’ characters in season 3. HRG, Maya, Nathan, Tracy, none of them seem to have any significance so far.
2. I personally love how complicated the show has become. its really impossible to do something as simple as season one. the characters are just way past that. another season told like season 1 would be too small. anyway, the converging plot lines tend to be too complex for the average viewer apparently. most viewers will need bits of solid information in each episode to keep their heads above water so to speak. Each episode should have at least some sense of discovery for viewers, some sense of confirmation or understanding. i.e….does anyone actualy know at this point what powers sylar has? i think things like that get viewers frustrated, we need SOME solid ground to stand on. im not taking shocking surprises and plot twists.
3. yes we threw the characters in morally grey areas and saw how they deal with that and choose what to do. BUT the evolution of the characters in these instances have either been agonizing long, idiotically explained or as fast as a flip of a coin. im thinking specifically of sylar, claire, and peter. Sylar is good too fast, too quick. we dont see a inner struggle albeit backwards from the one we saw in season 1. I wanted to see more of him falling off the horse and being a parasite again. claire has been whining and evolving for 3 seasons now. make it happen, what ever is going to happen make it happen. if she goes mislead baddie, then do it. peter..it was just the opposite of sylar, it was overnight. no real explaination save for ‘the hunger’ which was a cop out. honestly. especially since he has no powers now, you know when he gets em back he wont have the hunger… thats one loose strand cut off. bad writing in my opinion.
4. on that topic. there have been WAY too many plot-holes, shoddy explanations and what amounts to poor writing this seasons o far. the storylines are great, alot of what were plot holes could have been avoided in another feasible to the story way. im talking of hero not being able to fully STOP daphne in yamagato then being able to FULLY stop time and her in the bar. im talking of matt parkman not hearing in his head daphne talking to mr.patrelli on the phone behind his back. im talking about ‘the hunger.’ and how we still down know how nathan was revived <- cue back to point 1.
thats the main problems i see. there no specific greedy wants of who should die and who should, i leave that in the creators hands, it IS his art after all. i think however it comes down to writing and with kring turning his eye more toward that i think it should improve.
yes? no?
anyone listening? NBC!!??
The internet is full of haters. Don’t like Heroes? Then get your own show. Nobody is being forced to watch it. I have no complaints about the show. It is still better than 90% of what’s out there.
I agree with the comments about loose ends. Some story lines just go away with no explanation. And the episodes do get a little jumpy. Overall, though I love this show and I really hope they figure out how to bring back the magic of season 1, but I really think that season 2 being so unfinished has created a lot of issues.
Kring and his team are trying, if he’s bombarded with all this criticism how is he going to improve the show. He’s just got to stick with it, finish season three how he thinks it should be finished. I think season three is great, i know that the characters are really evolving. I like that aspect, but what it’s missing from season one is the ability to relate to the viewers. we are tuning in now for an extraordinary story, but the characters just aren’t themselves anymore. No matter what the circumstances, no one actually changes or makes stupid descisions that quickly. Peter, to me, used to be the best character and part of the show. He was confused, but smart, and followed his heart when it came to descisions. His power interested him and he felt like he was special, meant for more. Now look where he is, messed up with some unexplainably pointless hunger. That should never have occured along with him losing his powers, he’s the good guy, the character that ties all the others together. Now that he can’t use his powers it just messes a lot up. In the end though, i think Kring understands the fact that peter is alot of peoples favorite and that he should be the one to stand up to his father. He is still the best character out there, but we need the old peter back who looked up to his responsible brother nathan, and who shared the connection with all the other heroes. So Tim Kring, keep going, finish this season off the way you want, it’s incredible. But make season four more simple. Bring the characters back to themselves, they can’t all be evil. Find the goodness that made the show and bring it back. Good luck! We’ll keep watching.
I would want Heroes to focus more with the characters we have. Permit yourself to kill off some of them more often like DL, and to keep him dead for a good while if you want to bring him back (like Linderman).
The current story line is very convoluted and I don’t know what is the problem to solve. I mean in season 1 New York exploding was fresh and new. But now it’s the same thing over only now it’s the entire world. Visions of the future don’t feel as threatening when you consider how easily it’s altered (just by knowing about it).
Eric on November 5, 2008
“The biggest “problem” with Heroes is; it’s just to hip for the room. People have become so spoon-fed that they have all but lost the ability (no pun intended) to follow something that demands that you pay attention to the story line. The dumbing down of our society is ever apparent, we have become the Mtv generation and can only follow very small portions of anything that makes you think. If Heroes was only on the Sci-Fi channel it may be doing much better in the ratings because viewers on Sci-Fi come in with an understanding of how a comic book works and can keep up with the story lines.
It’s astounding that so many people who used to love the show cant grasp that there is a very unique story arc happening that’s all due to the butterfly effect.. Peter screwed up and has changed everything by coming back to the past to try to help. We must keep in mind that this is the hub of the story.
In this light, I’m forced to agree with Maj, the time travel arc is just to much for the average viewer to keep up with. ”
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I totaly agree with Eric’s comment, in fewer words, Heroes Season 3 is NOT for you’re average viewer. Definetly not. And, if they start changing the show just because 20% of the fans which happen to be the ones who complaint all the time disagree with the show.. i feel that its going to go extreemly bad for the entire series. but hey, its all about the money !!!!! isnt it? and besides, is Heroes gets cancelled, we can always start watching the new season of 4400, since now all of the caracters from that show have powers just like in the Heroes series. now aint that something? i wonder if Mr Loeb is now writing for them???
I think clear goodies and baddies is essential, characters swapping sides is fine in moderation, but the endless shifting of charcters to greater or lesser extents of evil is too much to follow and enjoy, it almost becomes an effort rather something you can relax into.
Season 1 while arguably slow starting was effective in building up a picture in a captivating manner by holding back as much information as possible, and just revealing it all but by bit until it comes clear towards the end. The huge number of characters, events, plots, and ideas that bombard us every episode or season3 does that have the mystery and excitement that made the show so great in the first place.
The main idea of this show was ordinary people with extraordinary abilities. The show has changed its focus and should had kept its focus on people first then powers second. Do not make it a soap opera. I have seen ridiculous stuff on soap operas that would never happen in real life. People having powers is far from being realistic but the other stuff that’s been popping up in the show seems to be written for a soap opera.
I liked the character Adam Monroe, but what are the odds that a character like Adam Monroe would be the great T. The writers should have placed him somewhere else. T should have been Japanese and not have been a drunk that needs the help of Hiro to put him on the right track. T should have been the one to train Hiro to be like the future Hiro we have all seen. He would have trained him to take his powers more seriously and stop from doing stupid stuff.
sorry, i just put a T in the place of Takezo Kensei.
now you’ll understand what i am saying.
Heroes is an awesome show, so NBC stop bugging about it. But I have to admit that there are some problems.
1.Too many plots and plot twists. I understand it is an ensemble cast and they are trying to get everyone together, but still.
2. Too many” out there” storylines. I mean Peter powerless, Suresh turning bad….
3. Stop bringing back dead people!! As much as I loved that Nathan and Niki’s substitute, Tracy came back….I wasn’t all that surprised that they were back.
4. Like Kring said, simplify the storyline. I love Heroes and can comprhend pretty much anyting on the show. But still, it is getting pretty complicated.
5. Stop the whole bad-good-bad thing. Characters who are good stay good, characters who are bad stay bad.
6. Rework some characters development and improve them.
That is my input and hopefully they will change it, so Heroes won’t get axed, b/c I will be pretty mad if they do.
Fimbs is right, people are all suggesting what they want for the show and not what could be better for all the fans.
Simplify the storyline is a huge step to gather more viewers, but it also can lead others to leave.
I think that simplify a bit would be nice. However we need to be unaware of what could be the next episode. I am enjoying the show just like it is now, but I know that a lil less complexity would suit most of the other viewers. Surprises are aways good and it is what keep people waiting till next weeks episode.
Peters fate is a matter of liking or disliking him, and other characters fate as well. I am one of those who would like to be Sylar the one who takes Peter place after he lost his powers. Buy, yet again, a matter of liking or disliking the character.
To save the show is just do simplify the story so more people will be able to understand it, as long as it dont get “heroes for dummies” level. It would be nice to have “non-rushing” episodes as well. And another step would be make heroes less “American Only” reality. Make foreigner heroes look foreigner. Maya is not a Latin American, I know it because I am Latin American. Suresh is not from India, he looks like a child from India grown up in America. I know that because I got many friends from India.
This last thing is not a “anti-american” thinking, as I have many friends, business and so on in USA, and I love USA, but you make foreign people different than they really are lead foreign people to think about it as a stereotype and avoid them to like it.
I like heroes like it is! Don’t change. Don’t tell the artists what to do. Just try to see their vision and enjoy. Lay back dudes!
Season 1 had a lot of scenery showing a populated New York and the heroes trying to cope and interact with the general population. Some of these superpowered people tried to do good things with their powers, like Peter. Some were corrupted by power e.g. Syler and some were lost in between like Nathan. This obviously led to conflicts between them. This is what made the show interesting. Now in season 3 the heroes are just battling each other in their own little world without appreciation to their relationship to the wider world. Such as the bank robbery syler and Noa turned up too deal with. The police and the crowed might as well have been paper cut outs in the background. No attention to how they dealt with the attention caused. Are the FBI still looking for Syler? Do they need the Haithan to erase the witness memories. Did the forensics notice that the German had someone run their fist through his stomach. Did Noa remove the video footage. Or did anyone notice Peter fall out of a building. did they call 911?
By the way, bringing characters back from the dead is neutral by origin, it simply depends on weather it fits with the story.
His name is Sylar not Syler
I’ve been thoroughly enjoying this season. I don’t really have any major complaints. About the only thing I haven’t seen on screen yet, and I don’t know if the actor’s (Christopher Eccleston’s) schedule allows for this, but I’d love to see Claude return for an episode or two and have a few questions answered. I was really sad to see the firings happen and I was mad when EW ran their article. Has NBC bothered to take in to account that maybe less folks as a whole are watching TV after the strike? Or the fact that Heroes is still in the top with the 18-34 crowd?
1) Teach Milo Ventimiglia how to act.
2) Chill a bit on the Petrelli family story line, it’s one ridiculous twist away from becoming a full-blown soap-opera.
3) Focus more on people’s abilities and how they use/abuse them. We’re watching “Heroes” after all, not “Dynasty.” I think it’s great how focused Hiro is on his ability all the time whereas people like Nathen tend to get boring since they often act like they can’t do anything special at all.
4) More power vs. power fights a la Parkman vs. his dad, Sylar vs. Peter, etc.
5) Don’t introduce a character with an unusual power and kill them off in one episode like what happened with the vortex guy. Either have them be useful for a couple of episodes or have them be a challenge which forces disparate heroes to team up in order to defeat them. At least the marionette guy was a cliffhanger!
6) The dog who plays Mr. Muggles needs to be in the opening credits.
lol at the Mr Muggles thing
I think Season 3 is exactly a comic soap opera, AND I LOVE IT!!!! However, I agree with “Social,” because in season 1, the “supers” interacted with “normies” but in S3, they’re all in their own world with their own problems. I don’t think the show is too complex, I’m following all of this stuff and that’s what keeps it interesting, I hate a show where I know what’s gonna happen, and this show is definately not it! I also agree with stop bringing folks back from the dead, if you kill them they’re dead, that’s life! Also, I love Sylar being the unpredictable company man doing mommy’s work to get back at dad….showing everyone why he’s mommy’s favorite! Tim Kring, do what you feel is best for the show, you made the show a huge success before the critics started to but in, people’s expectations are too high! We all wanna sit back and enjoy the show, it’s not our show to modify, if it becomes too complex and turns people off, FUDGE YOU and don’t watch it!
P.S. - If NBC dumps you, go to the Sci-Fi Channel, this show and that channel fit like a glove, and then, you could have creative freedom because then your true fan base would watch it!
First of all, I would just like to say that if Tim Kring is by any slim chance reading this… I am forever grateful for this show and how it has impacted my life. It wasn’t until this show began that I actually started looking forward to Mondays lol.
I think that the only way the show can be “saved” (as if it even needs saving… I personally love season 3 thus far) is if the creators stick to their vision. Listening to the fans is sometimes necessary, but ultimately this a show that needs to stick to what it does best: Ordinary people with extraordinary abilities living among us, set in reality (for the most part). If there is one thing I miss, it is that real connection with the characters that was present especially in season 1.
As this season has progressed, you can see that the character development and focus is still there, but it does get lost in the mix sometimes among the many plot lines and interesting quick decisions some of the characters have made (Mohinder for example). At times it seems that this series is moving closer to the realm of a comic book than reality.
However, I believe that a big part of the problem lies within the viewers themselves. Unfortunately, people are going to complain no matter what. People complained that the season 2 was moving too slowly. The creators obliged and created a quicker pace with more twists and turns, and viewers are now complaining about that as well. Peoples’ expectations will always alter the true greatness of this show I’m afraid.
I accept this show for what it is, and each and every Monday Heroes always succeeds in getting me to come back for more. I still discuss this show with my friends and co-workers. I still think about it for hours after I see it. I still love the core of what this show is all about and the moral dilemmas and ideas that are behind it. My overall advice: stick to your vision and the original formula that made this show great to begin with, but I couldn’t be happier with one of the only shows that I watch on TV.
Well since Tim Krings ”hands on approach” is gonna be wit ”Fugetives” and not ”Villains,” theirs not much to say about the first half, but i hope the 2nd half is as intresting or more……P.S. im still tryin to figure out how claire turns so evil in the future….is it cause Sylar….Auther ahhhhhhh!!
what the hell is with peter’s scar?
Even when he had healing powers
Better character development! You don’t need to introduce new characters, you need to explain the one’s that already exist and the motives they have and why they would do something.
Oh, and Peter needs to use his power more intelligently. He has virtually EVERYTHING and the only thing he ever uses in a jam is telekinesis.
Sylar has lots of abilities and the only thing HE uses in a jam is telekinesis too.
Allthough Peter used healing and Time Travel quite alot
have me come write for the show.
I think Kring being hands-on is a great thing. Jeph Loeb is a notorious, hack, he creates mysteries for the sake of mysteries, overcomplicates storylines, and has characters act “out of character” purely out of shock value. With Loeb no longer in Tim’s ear, he’ll be able to chart a stronger current alone…at least he’ll have a chance to anyway.
I would kill off a few characters, cut the time travelling, make it more clear if characters are good or evil and get back to the basic concept of ordinary people with extrodinary abilities not 20 people who are all part of a shadowy organisation running around in circles, time travelling, changes sides and acting like dumb idiots.
Put more funding itno school systems so stupid people can understand the plot. Season 3 is good. Season two wasn’t
I posted this in all my blogs like everywhere, so I should put it here too:
Heroes- Still the Best
I have noticed an unfortunate trend of negativity of late. While everyone is entitled to his opinion, I will now state my own-
Heroes is back and it’s FANTASTIC!!!!
I know a lot of folks complained about season 2- I actually enjoyed it and I had made a habit during season 2 to do a weekly blog on the episodes, sort of a recap/review. I have been an avid Heroes fan since the beginning and I still am. There are a few reasons I haven’t done such recaps/reviews this season; not only have I gotten very involved with the tie in ARG/Evolutions online portion of Heroes, I’m also quite busy enjoying the show, trying to take it all in. I find it thought provoking with intricate complexities rather than simple escapism. Oh, make no mistake, Heroes is also an escape for me and one of the reasons I can look forward to Monday nights and Tuesday mornings. I love that not only does it show ordinary people finding themselves in extraordinary situations, but the theme for this volume of people deciding to be heroes or villains is very thought provoking in and of itself. I like the fact that the lines aren’t clear. I feel that keeps Heroes from being cliché. It’s what keeps me avidly watching.