Heroes Season 4 Open Thread

In case you’ve been reading other sites besides this one (shame on you!), you already know that we reported a month ago that NBC has all but guaranteed a fourth season of Heroes. So, knowing that your favorite show will be back, I’m creating this open thread for you, the loyal Heroes viewer, to express your thoughts on what you want to see, and what you don’t want to see in the coming season. What’s been bugging you about Heroes that you hope won’t be continued in Season 4? What’s been missing that you’d like to see remedied? There’s no guarantee that Tim Kring and company will read this and take your advice, but hey, don’t let that stop you.

This is your open thread for Heroes Season 4. Call it the “Expectations Thread”. The “Please Don’t Do This to Disappoint Us” Thread. It’s all yours.


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  • Donny

    First! I hope Season Four has more back story. I like when they explain what happened with Angela and the other ‘elders’ in the past.

    • Ldyma

      I agree Weaving the original story line into new episodes is VERY important. Just as important as new threads and actions.

      Dont forget Issac Mendez, The original Picture, and all those who have died. Or have they :)

  • Donny

    First! I hope Season Four has more back story. I like when they explain what happened with Angela and the other ‘elders’ in the past.

  • Donny

    First! I hope Season Four has more back story. I like when they explain what happened with Angela and the other ‘elders’ in the past.

    • Ldyma

      I agree Weaving the original story line into new episodes is VERY important. Just as important as new threads and actions.

      Dont forget Issac Mendez, The original Picture, and all those who have died. Or have they :)

  • billy o

    i want claire to go out wiv hiro so that they can have awesome super babies, i also want there to be a new silar but who doesn’t kill just absorbes power than all the other characters can hav a big kick-ass fight against him, that would be mint.

  • billy o

    i want claire to go out wiv hiro so that they can have awesome super babies, i also want there to be a new silar but who doesn’t kill just absorbes power than all the other characters can hav a big kick-ass fight against him, that would be mint.

  • billy o

    i want claire to go out wiv hiro so that they can have awesome super babies, i also want there to be a new silar but who doesn’t kill just absorbes power than all the other characters can hav a big kick-ass fight against him, that would be mint.

  • http://www.myspace.com/tarot999 Tarot

    I’m hoping we get a start date soon and they don’t change it.

    • Ldyma

      I absolutely HATE the season down time being so long! And fewer and fewer episodes in each season…Think out your stories! get them ready! And Feed us!

  • http://www.myspace.com/tarot999 Tarot

    I’m hoping we get a start date soon and they don’t change it.

  • http://www.myspace.com/tarot999 Tarot

    I’m hoping we get a start date soon and they don’t change it.

    • Ldyma

      I absolutely HATE the season down time being so long! And fewer and fewer episodes in each season…Think out your stories! get them ready! And Feed us!

  • tavi

    I hop that when a charracter die, he should be dead. not like sylar, niki, or takezo kensei. when someone die, then he sould die really. Isn’t enough that anyway a new hero apears, they also want to keep the rest of them?

    • sylar14

      niki and takezo kensei are dead theres no coming back niki was blown up adam turned to dust due to his powers were taken as for sylar well he’s the main villian of the show get rid of sylar half the viewers would not watch it anymore

      • obbsesed

        i hate how they didnt us claires blood to save nathen thats just plum stupid i mean if it was noah they would have i mean its here birth dad and even though sylars going to figure out what happened to him were stilling loosing nathen witch makes me mad cuz sylar could trick them into doing anything he wants them to do know he is in with the government now and the petrelies its just stupid and i dont think anyone should die his season if so let it be NOAH he is important

      • keti

        i agree. i think syler is the main 1. it gets us invoved in the series.

      • Sylar obesesion

        I love Sylar, I think with out him I wont watch it. He COMPLETES the stories!!!

        Sylar can’t die! he’s been there the who way through.

        I wonder what season 5 will bring. The expression nathans mother gave at the end of the episode. GOT TO BRING SYLAR BACK. Nathan didnt do much anyway.

    • sylar14

      niki and takezo kensei are dead theres no coming back niki was blown up adam turned to dust due to his powers were taken as for sylar well he’s the main villian of the show get rid of sylar half the viewers would not watch it anymore

    • cismo

      I agree 100% maybe once in a wihle a ressurection could occur but only if it fits awesomely into the story line.

      • newnoec

        I agree, like in the last episode, I thought Claire’s blood could revive people…why the hell didn’t they revive Nathan, and do something else with Sylar…bunch of idiots, in the following season they could’ve had the two brother reunited as a family fighting together.

      • Ldyma

        Nathan got burned in a funeral pyre but hopefully he REALLY is in frozen storage somewhere…He’s not Arthur Petrelli after all….We dont want him…But we cant live without Nathan or Peter…
        Claire, Noah, Hro, Matt, Surinder, SYlar can die…evil can come from somewhere else…but the core they have to live…Where is Molly…?

        And if Nathan is in cold storage, why not Nikki and DL? Bring back some good guys! There had to be a plan to save the good guys right? a plan for good and a plan for evil…

  • tavi

    I hop that when a charracter die, he should be dead. not like sylar, niki, or takezo kensei. when someone die, then he sould die really. Isn’t enough that anyway a new hero apears, they also want to keep the rest of them?

  • tavi

    I hop that when a charracter die, he should be dead. not like sylar, niki, or takezo kensei. when someone die, then he sould die really. Isn’t enough that anyway a new hero apears, they also want to keep the rest of them?

    • sylar14

      niki and takezo kensei are dead theres no coming back niki was blown up adam turned to dust due to his powers were taken as for sylar well he’s the main villian of the show get rid of sylar half the viewers would not watch it anymore

      • obbsesed

        i hate how they didnt us claires blood to save nathen thats just plum stupid i mean if it was noah they would have i mean its here birth dad and even though sylars going to figure out what happened to him were stilling loosing nathen witch makes me mad cuz sylar could trick them into doing anything he wants them to do know he is in with the government now and the petrelies its just stupid and i dont think anyone should die his season if so let it be NOAH he is important

      • keti

        i agree. i think syler is the main 1. it gets us invoved in the series.

      • Sylar obesesion

        I love Sylar, I think with out him I wont watch it. He COMPLETES the stories!!!

        Sylar can’t die! he’s been there the who way through.

        I wonder what season 5 will bring. The expression nathans mother gave at the end of the episode. GOT TO BRING SYLAR BACK. Nathan didnt do much anyway.

    • cismo

      I agree 100% maybe once in a wihle a ressurection could occur but only if it fits awesomely into the story line.

      • newnoec

        I agree, like in the last episode, I thought Claire’s blood could revive people…why the hell didn’t they revive Nathan, and do something else with Sylar…bunch of idiots, in the following season they could’ve had the two brother reunited as a family fighting together.

      • Ldyma

        Nathan got burned in a funeral pyre but hopefully he REALLY is in frozen storage somewhere…He’s not Arthur Petrelli after all….We dont want him…But we cant live without Nathan or Peter…
        Claire, Noah, Hro, Matt, Surinder, SYlar can die…evil can come from somewhere else…but the core they have to live…Where is Molly…?

        And if Nathan is in cold storage, why not Nikki and DL? Bring back some good guys! There had to be a plan to save the good guys right? a plan for good and a plan for evil…

  • rebster

    i hope they will write a script which describe the full story line of season 4. season 1 was so fantatstic because the writers writes a detailed script, where all parts are fit together. i mean, we saw isaac mendez dying in the future in episode 2 and in episode 19 he really dies by sylar. thats great story telling. in season 2 and 3 the writers made a basic structure, so that they can change what they want in every episode. it appears to me so incoherent. i hope they go back to the roots of season 1.

    • sylar14

      well they can’t really go back to the roots because in season 1 they were just discovering their abilities and what they were capable of doing but now they know their abilities unless they all get amnesia i doubt it can go back to season 1

    • sylar14

      well they can’t really go back to the roots because in season 1 they were just discovering their abilities and what they were capable of doing but now they know their abilities unless they all get amnesia i doubt it can go back to season 1

    • ralys

      i totally agree. the story telling in season 1 was just awesome. hope they can bring that back.

      • Ldyma

        I agree the story telling lost its way when Issac died…But it had to survive in an archive or michrochip somewhere….The story couldnt have died and it MUST be interwoven…Matt has the gift what of that? Dont let it destroy him or turn to evil…Let it be a vault of safety for information…Lat Matt hack into Issacs brain and work somehow…

        And Baby Matt will keep him stable

    • ralys

      i totally agree. the story telling in season 1 was just awesome. hope they can bring that back.

  • rebster

    i hope they will write a script which describe the full story line of season 4. season 1 was so fantatstic because the writers writes a detailed script, where all parts are fit together. i mean, we saw isaac mendez dying in the future in episode 2 and in episode 19 he really dies by sylar. thats great story telling. in season 2 and 3 the writers made a basic structure, so that they can change what they want in every episode. it appears to me so incoherent. i hope they go back to the roots of season 1.

  • rebster

    i hope they will write a script which describe the full story line of season 4. season 1 was so fantatstic because the writers writes a detailed script, where all parts are fit together. i mean, we saw isaac mendez dying in the future in episode 2 and in episode 19 he really dies by sylar. thats great story telling. in season 2 and 3 the writers made a basic structure, so that they can change what they want in every episode. it appears to me so incoherent. i hope they go back to the roots of season 1.

    • sylar14

      well they can’t really go back to the roots because in season 1 they were just discovering their abilities and what they were capable of doing but now they know their abilities unless they all get amnesia i doubt it can go back to season 1

    • ralys

      i totally agree. the story telling in season 1 was just awesome. hope they can bring that back.

      • Ldyma

        I agree the story telling lost its way when Issac died…But it had to survive in an archive or michrochip somewhere….The story couldnt have died and it MUST be interwoven…Matt has the gift what of that? Dont let it destroy him or turn to evil…Let it be a vault of safety for information…Lat Matt hack into Issacs brain and work somehow…

        And Baby Matt will keep him stable

  • nika1792

    when will be season 4

  • nika1792

    when will be season 4

  • Linderminion

    Ok heres my list.
    1 Give Peter back his damn empathy already and save Sylars imminent return for season five so hes not wasted.
    2 SHOW DONT TELL! As amazing as season three was there was so much potential for awesome fights and the Sylar vs Petrelli duel behind a closed door was almost insulting to dedicated fans waiting to see that encounter. Five years gone was the best episode ever and it did the same thing. Were tired of not seeing awesome battles.
    3 Dont jerk around your characters Most notably Elle, Sylar, and Mohinder were jerked around way to much this season.
    4 Dont dead end your plot lines. IF Peter needs Sylars ability to save the world then he should actually need it to save the world for example.
    Dont waste characters, if they die they should get a fight. Villains was full of cheap shot deaths none of them really involving a fight except in the makebelieve and then totally changed future. Maury, Adam, Elle, Knox, Jesse, German all died a really lame way without any struggle.
    5 BRING BACK TIMETRAVEL/TELEPORT Ok so some viewers dont read comic books and are easily confused dont get time travel, most of your target audience does and every fan I know loves it. I dont care how redundant it is the most awesome stories come from trying to save the world from a destructive future.
    6 Sylar needs to cut peoples heads open to gain powers. There is no reason for him to have empathy so unless you reveal one and its convincing, not so much since he and peter are not brothers, he shouldnt have it and even if he does its shouldnt work for him.
    Things we liked this season want to see more of.
    1 Multiple villains. Especially with Sylar out you need more than one bad and now that you wated all of the big shots short of bringing them back these will need to be new characters or some of our heroes need to go bad for a good reason.
    2 If someone shifts there allegiance there needs to be a point of no return. Dont like characters switching sides back and forth on a whim all the time.
    3 Villains with powers are much more exciting than the government agents which are comparatively lame.
    4 Need the Company again hope we are not disapointed having to see a company run off of the idealistic views of Claire, Peter, and Hiro, should still be morally gray.
    5 Not knowing who is good or bad was a definite plus. Im still not convinced that Arthur was evil.
    6 Bring back some villains who have a good chance of surviving their ordeal. If Sylar came back no reason Arthur couldnt. Love to see Adam but guess hes out. Also Flint should be back he could easily have survived since immune to fire. Do not however bring back MEredith she is lame.
    7 Keep Tracy around another Ali Larter clone (Barbara) would be lame.
    8 Only make new characters if you intend to keep them around for a while. One shot characters like Alex, Luke, etc or wasted characters like Maya and Monica end up taking away from the main storyline and your amazing core characters.
    9 Same goes for powers. Some of the old powers that are gone should come back, we’ve already seen that multiple people can have the same power. No one wants to see someone who can breathe under water on screen. Please for the love of god only amazing powers no lame ones.
    10 I like everyone already being together. Please dont waste the first ten episodes trying to bring Ando, Hiro, Mohinder and any new foreigners to New York to tie everything together. It was great in season one but now its just frustrating.
    11 You accomplished what was necessary for Peter and Hiro very nicely by taking away their powers now that they have gotten smarter and less reliant give them back. At least let Peter be able to hold onto multiple. IF you want to be cheap about it let him take empathy from Sylar since you gave it to the bad guy for some reason.
    12 On a side note Since Peter was able to go through all of Sylars powers and know how to distinguish shapeshifting but only got that it stands to reason that he should be able to tell that Sylar/Nathan has multiple powers when they touch.
    13 Despite what everyone else has been saying I like what you did with Claire and it has made her a better more heroic character. I was worried in villains with the whiny cant feel pain thing. We like her more when she is not feeling sorry for herself so keep her that way.
    Here endeth long rant. For now.
    More flash back of company will be greatly appreciated to. Also clarification on continuity of the web comics which are occasionally in conflict with show. Please explain Adams involvement in company and prove my theory correct that Arthurs power is Synthetic and came from the first time they used the formula.

    • Brettski

      your right in most your comments espesically the fight behind closed doors i swore alot at the tv for that i was on the edge of my seat for that and threw a paddy when they didnt show the fight

      • Ldyma

        I too like nearly every comment!

        Bring back the comic book angle a bit…we need a bit of the quirky angle back

        Sylar with empathy? worked for a bit…its over

        What about an obi kenobi appearance of some of the good old team from angela’s day? You know, they arent dead but are with a force? That life force that Hiro had and petrelli took and it spilled everywhere…Where did it go? End of story line? What was it?

        It is a good story line never to know if a couple people are good or bad…ut not too many…Noah and Angela are enough for now…puppet guy maybe

        The short blond man in the original picture of the first team was never identified. Who is he?

        Angela’s sister has to come back…

        Daphne? No way is she dead. She is great intel even if she stays crippled.

        I agree…Government men were portrayed really stupid…REALLY stupid…They at least need to be as mysterious as Noah was in the beginning!

        AND yes we do need a time traveler…so HIRO get well and YOU DO TO need BATMAN ANDO!

        New orleans girl…See it do it girl…Needs a part a grown up one…She can be a serious player not a dumb kid…what an asset.

    • Brettski

      your right in most your comments espesically the fight behind closed doors i swore alot at the tv for that i was on the edge of my seat for that and threw a paddy when they didnt show the fight

    • Owlcom

      I totally support this messege.

    • Owlcom

      I totally support this messege.

    • Riese

      This guy knows what he is saying. I agree with him on everything. Tim Kring hire this guy. Only thing is that when Peter stole the power of Sylar he stole every power that Sylar had possession of at that time. Which is alot of powers. So he is back to his ass kicking self.

    • Riese

      Also I agree need more fights between people with abilities. That fight behind closed doors was so lame. Not the first time. Remember in the future when sylar and peter battled it out right before hiro and ando teleported back.. You probably don’t because it was lame and behind a door. We do need multiple villans and no more of the flip floppy crap. Everybody pick a side and stay there and fight to the death.

    • Janina

      right on! I agree with everything you say!

  • Linderminion

    Ok heres my list.
    1 Give Peter back his damn empathy already and save Sylars imminent return for season five so hes not wasted.
    2 SHOW DONT TELL! As amazing as season three was there was so much potential for awesome fights and the Sylar vs Petrelli duel behind a closed door was almost insulting to dedicated fans waiting to see that encounter. Five years gone was the best episode ever and it did the same thing. Were tired of not seeing awesome battles.
    3 Dont jerk around your characters Most notably Elle, Sylar, and Mohinder were jerked around way to much this season.
    4 Dont dead end your plot lines. IF Peter needs Sylars ability to save the world then he should actually need it to save the world for example.
    Dont waste characters, if they die they should get a fight. Villains was full of cheap shot deaths none of them really involving a fight except in the makebelieve and then totally changed future. Maury, Adam, Elle, Knox, Jesse, German all died a really lame way without any struggle.
    5 BRING BACK TIMETRAVEL/TELEPORT Ok so some viewers dont read comic books and are easily confused dont get time travel, most of your target audience does and every fan I know loves it. I dont care how redundant it is the most awesome stories come from trying to save the world from a destructive future.
    6 Sylar needs to cut peoples heads open to gain powers. There is no reason for him to have empathy so unless you reveal one and its convincing, not so much since he and peter are not brothers, he shouldnt have it and even if he does its shouldnt work for him.
    Things we liked this season want to see more of.
    1 Multiple villains. Especially with Sylar out you need more than one bad and now that you wated all of the big shots short of bringing them back these will need to be new characters or some of our heroes need to go bad for a good reason.
    2 If someone shifts there allegiance there needs to be a point of no return. Dont like characters switching sides back and forth on a whim all the time.
    3 Villains with powers are much more exciting than the government agents which are comparatively lame.
    4 Need the Company again hope we are not disapointed having to see a company run off of the idealistic views of Claire, Peter, and Hiro, should still be morally gray.
    5 Not knowing who is good or bad was a definite plus. Im still not convinced that Arthur was evil.
    6 Bring back some villains who have a good chance of surviving their ordeal. If Sylar came back no reason Arthur couldnt. Love to see Adam but guess hes out. Also Flint should be back he could easily have survived since immune to fire. Do not however bring back MEredith she is lame.
    7 Keep Tracy around another Ali Larter clone (Barbara) would be lame.
    8 Only make new characters if you intend to keep them around for a while. One shot characters like Alex, Luke, etc or wasted characters like Maya and Monica end up taking away from the main storyline and your amazing core characters.
    9 Same goes for powers. Some of the old powers that are gone should come back, we’ve already seen that multiple people can have the same power. No one wants to see someone who can breathe under water on screen. Please for the love of god only amazing powers no lame ones.
    10 I like everyone already being together. Please dont waste the first ten episodes trying to bring Ando, Hiro, Mohinder and any new foreigners to New York to tie everything together. It was great in season one but now its just frustrating.
    11 You accomplished what was necessary for Peter and Hiro very nicely by taking away their powers now that they have gotten smarter and less reliant give them back. At least let Peter be able to hold onto multiple. IF you want to be cheap about it let him take empathy from Sylar since you gave it to the bad guy for some reason.
    12 On a side note Since Peter was able to go through all of Sylars powers and know how to distinguish shapeshifting but only got that it stands to reason that he should be able to tell that Sylar/Nathan has multiple powers when they touch.
    13 Despite what everyone else has been saying I like what you did with Claire and it has made her a better more heroic character. I was worried in villains with the whiny cant feel pain thing. We like her more when she is not feeling sorry for herself so keep her that way.
    Here endeth long rant. For now.
    More flash back of company will be greatly appreciated to. Also clarification on continuity of the web comics which are occasionally in conflict with show. Please explain Adams involvement in company and prove my theory correct that Arthurs power is Synthetic and came from the first time they used the formula.

  • http://linderminion Linderminion

    Ok heres my list.
    1 Give Peter back his damn empathy already and save Sylars imminent return for season five so hes not wasted.
    2 SHOW DONT TELL! As amazing as season three was there was so much potential for awesome fights and the Sylar vs Petrelli duel behind a closed door was almost insulting to dedicated fans waiting to see that encounter. Five years gone was the best episode ever and it did the same thing. Were tired of not seeing awesome battles.
    3 Dont jerk around your characters Most notably Elle, Sylar, and Mohinder were jerked around way to much this season.
    4 Dont dead end your plot lines. IF Peter needs Sylars ability to save the world then he should actually need it to save the world for example.
    Dont waste characters, if they die they should get a fight. Villains was full of cheap shot deaths none of them really involving a fight except in the makebelieve and then totally changed future. Maury, Adam, Elle, Knox, Jesse, German all died a really lame way without any struggle.
    5 BRING BACK TIMETRAVEL/TELEPORT Ok so some viewers dont read comic books and are easily confused dont get time travel, most of your target audience does and every fan I know loves it. I dont care how redundant it is the most awesome stories come from trying to save the world from a destructive future.
    6 Sylar needs to cut peoples heads open to gain powers. There is no reason for him to have empathy so unless you reveal one and its convincing, not so much since he and peter are not brothers, he shouldnt have it and even if he does its shouldnt work for him.
    Things we liked this season want to see more of.
    1 Multiple villains. Especially with Sylar out you need more than one bad and now that you wated all of the big shots short of bringing them back these will need to be new characters or some of our heroes need to go bad for a good reason.
    2 If someone shifts there allegiance there needs to be a point of no return. Dont like characters switching sides back and forth on a whim all the time.
    3 Villains with powers are much more exciting than the government agents which are comparatively lame.
    4 Need the Company again hope we are not disapointed having to see a company run off of the idealistic views of Claire, Peter, and Hiro, should still be morally gray.
    5 Not knowing who is good or bad was a definite plus. Im still not convinced that Arthur was evil.
    6 Bring back some villains who have a good chance of surviving their ordeal. If Sylar came back no reason Arthur couldnt. Love to see Adam but guess hes out. Also Flint should be back he could easily have survived since immune to fire. Do not however bring back MEredith she is lame.
    7 Keep Tracy around another Ali Larter clone (Barbara) would be lame.
    8 Only make new characters if you intend to keep them around for a while. One shot characters like Alex, Luke, etc or wasted characters like Maya and Monica end up taking away from the main storyline and your amazing core characters.
    9 Same goes for powers. Some of the old powers that are gone should come back, we’ve already seen that multiple people can have the same power. No one wants to see someone who can breathe under water on screen. Please for the love of god only amazing powers no lame ones.
    10 I like everyone already being together. Please dont waste the first ten episodes trying to bring Ando, Hiro, Mohinder and any new foreigners to New York to tie everything together. It was great in season one but now its just frustrating.
    11 You accomplished what was necessary for Peter and Hiro very nicely by taking away their powers now that they have gotten smarter and less reliant give them back. At least let Peter be able to hold onto multiple. IF you want to be cheap about it let him take empathy from Sylar since you gave it to the bad guy for some reason.
    12 On a side note Since Peter was able to go through all of Sylars powers and know how to distinguish shapeshifting but only got that it stands to reason that he should be able to tell that Sylar/Nathan has multiple powers when they touch.
    13 Despite what everyone else has been saying I like what you did with Claire and it has made her a better more heroic character. I was worried in villains with the whiny cant feel pain thing. We like her more when she is not feeling sorry for herself so keep her that way.
    Here endeth long rant. For now.
    More flash back of company will be greatly appreciated to. Also clarification on continuity of the web comics which are occasionally in conflict with show. Please explain Adams involvement in company and prove my theory correct that Arthurs power is Synthetic and came from the first time they used the formula.

    • Brettski

      your right in most your comments espesically the fight behind closed doors i swore alot at the tv for that i was on the edge of my seat for that and threw a paddy when they didnt show the fight

      • Ldyma

        I too like nearly every comment!

        Bring back the comic book angle a bit…we need a bit of the quirky angle back

        Sylar with empathy? worked for a bit…its over

        What about an obi kenobi appearance of some of the good old team from angela’s day? You know, they arent dead but are with a force? That life force that Hiro had and petrelli took and it spilled everywhere…Where did it go? End of story line? What was it?

        It is a good story line never to know if a couple people are good or bad…ut not too many…Noah and Angela are enough for now…puppet guy maybe

        The short blond man in the original picture of the first team was never identified. Who is he?

        Angela’s sister has to come back…

        Daphne? No way is she dead. She is great intel even if she stays crippled.

        I agree…Government men were portrayed really stupid…REALLY stupid…They at least need to be as mysterious as Noah was in the beginning!

        AND yes we do need a time traveler…so HIRO get well and YOU DO TO need BATMAN ANDO!

        New orleans girl…See it do it girl…Needs a part a grown up one…She can be a serious player not a dumb kid…what an asset.

    • Owlcom

      I totally support this messege.

    • Riese

      This guy knows what he is saying. I agree with him on everything. Tim Kring hire this guy. Only thing is that when Peter stole the power of Sylar he stole every power that Sylar had possession of at that time. Which is alot of powers. So he is back to his ass kicking self.

    • Riese

      Also I agree need more fights between people with abilities. That fight behind closed doors was so lame. Not the first time. Remember in the future when sylar and peter battled it out right before hiro and ando teleported back.. You probably don’t because it was lame and behind a door. We do need multiple villans and no more of the flip floppy crap. Everybody pick a side and stay there and fight to the death.

    • Janina

      right on! I agree with everything you say!