Heroes 4.13/4.14 Upon This Rock/Let it Bleed Discussion Thread

By Sam on January 4th, 2010

Heroes returns from Winter break with a two-hour block, 4.13 and 4.14′s “Upon This Rock” and “Let it Bleed”, respectively. NBC has been pretty stingy with the promo stuff, and as a result we don’t even have any promo images from the two episodes airing tonight to show you. There isn’t even a proper preview video, except for the two we previously showed you here. Either someone over there isn’t doing their job, or the network doesn’t feel like promoting the show’s return. Either way, it sure seems like a bad way to let people know that Heroes is returning tonight. Anyways, here’s your official discussion thread for tonight’s 2-hour kick-off to the second half of Heroes Season 4.

HEROES RETURNS WITH A SPECIAL TWO-HOUR EPISODE – THE SEARCH FOR ANSWERS INTENSIFIES AS FINAL RESPECTS ARE PAID TO A FALLEN HERO

As Claire (Hayden Panettiere) becomes immersed into the world of the Carnival, she becomes increasingly suspicious of Samuel’s (Robert Knepper) motives. Hiro (Masi Oka) is on a mission to rescue one of his own, but has difficulty communicating his intentions to Ando (James Kyson Lee). Samuel has his sight set on Emma (guest star Deanne Bray) and her ability to complete his master plan. Meanwhile, Sylar (Zachary Quinto) returns to the Carnival in search of answers and Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) continues to struggle with the loss of his brother. Elsewhere, H.R.G. (Jack Coleman) sets his plan in motion to take down the carnival.

Todd Stashwick, Saemi Nakamura, Sasha Pieterse and Dawn Lyen Gardner guest stars.

Heroes Episode Reviews/Discussion Threads . Heroes Season 4 Spoilers/News

Melissa B

I hope Sylar teams up with Claire + Peter. Sylar seems to be the only one who could ever stop Samuel.
bryte

does anyone know where i can download heroes? Seems to be scares recently. Fellas help me out here. I live quite far from the main action.
Tarot1

I really enjoyed this 2 hour episode. I also later found out that one small tid bit I hoped to see was infact there: Claude is mentioned. His name is on Ian's file.
merlinmaus

Actually Sylar could fly before: Remeber "Brothers Keeper" when he switched back to his body, without completely taking over? Nathan/Sylar took Peter and flew directly out of the hospital window. "This" body could definitely fly. I think that the shared body had both abilities, because we saw Nathan with some of Sylar's earlier in the season.

I think it was Peter on the roof and agree with the griving theorie.
pharoahfro

it's a tight squeeze, but the scenes are sequenced correctly so that sylar could have left the carnival, joined claire on the rooftop (disguised as peter), asked her to call west (in order to steal the flying power), and then hover like a stalker outside her window.
Cody4

Not a possibility.
navygater

Maybe these people that are overlooking little details are watching bad pirated episodes and missing key details aswell as killing the shows ratings hmmmm is Hulu counted for viewership?
RedHobbit

Just as an explanation as people seem confused:

Peter flew away in the end because he had taken West's power. The reason we know this is because Peter asked Claire to call West. Presumably, this is Peter's way of grieving. It's not so surprising that he should give up Claire's regenerative power in this case, as flying would make him closer to Nathan emotionally and help him through his loss. Also, he can always visit Claire and regain the regenerative power if he wants, so it's not that much of a big deal.
Cody4

Exactly what I was saying, I don't see how so many people overlooked the fact that he asked her to call West. Pretty obvious. I also agree that this is his way of grieving and remembering Nathan. I'm hoping he gets in touch with his empathy soon since he cares about a good amount of people lately. Namely Nathan, Claire, and Emma. Maybe in the next episode he'll get through to Emma with empathy and start getting powers back. Then again, I've been saying "maybe in the next episode" ever since Arthur took his powers. He has to get them back eventually, he's done this one power show for long enough.
merlinmaus

I'm not sure if people really overlooked it - for my part, I "saw and heard" it, but expected that it might have some influence in the future, that Peter will run in West or something like that. Because he needed to touch West to get his power, I simply didn't thought in that direction and was confused myself, until I read your guys discussion. But of course that could have happened "outside camera" ;-) West could fly to him to give him the chance to take his power...
archer

how the hell peter flew away in the end???

last time i checked he had claire's powers.
frozenberry

i totally love the episodes so awesome!!! I'm really curious about the angle between Sylar and Claire. Love/hate relationship maybe? But that might be because I am a Sylar and Claire fan. And I am so glad Nathan can be put to rest without having to rise out of the grave or anything. So happy to see Ando. He's one of my fav character. Was a little surprised about Peter wanting West's ability, I mean isn't the regenerative ability better for saving people? Anyways totally awesome and SUPER EXCITED for next ep!!!!!!
Ronon

I thought these two episodes were amazing. I'm sad that Nathan had to die, but his death is something that I feel should have happened at the end of season two, almost like with his death, the show can be like season one agian. I was kind of sad that Suresh in it though, and I never thought I'd like seeing Ando so much.
bill-the-kid

I have to say are the writers F-ing with us because they played the sound for flight and then they show Peter taking out the cop with the Haitians power. But they cover it up with fact that we don't see Peter flying directly and that Claire gets there pretty quick too.

But why have that sound
warnpeace21

& one more thing, i liked how they paid homage to Nathan by having the jets fly thru the sky at the funeral.. they need to get someone else who can fly like that in this show asap!!! cuz im not feeling the way good ole West flies around, i need to see some Jet propelled smoke flying lol.. Again way to start strong after the break!!
Bennet

samwisethebrave: what r u talking about? he took Wests flying ability
warnpeace21

no i think he was talking about peter must have took angela's power in the next episode coming up bcuz it looked like he was having a dream of wat emma does to ppl in the future in the preview.. i think thats wat he meant, dont quote me
Bennet

tmh22: Sylar sliced open Claires head in the premier of Villains :)
Bennet

Nice episodes..I love the Sylar vs Samuel battle..but I wonder why Claire again..its probably not just because shell live forever like him..
merlinmaus

I think Sylar always had a thing for her. In Volume 3 when he worked with her dad he talked to her in the car about how much alike they are and that no one could understand them (or something lake that)

And in the future where Scar-Peter was from, they had a child... So for me that move is logical :-)

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