Hey Hiro,

Thanks for actually responding. As far as spoilers go, I'm with you. I don't want to be spoiled. The above, very lengthy, post is actually a synopsis of episode 4x09 and I address issues from the past episodes which is why it's so long. I don't know anything about future episodes like the one tonight.

So, when I say "Spoilers Ahead" I mean that the post is about the episode that just aired. If you haven't seen it yet, then don't read my post.

We seem to agree about everything that I wrote in those first couple of paragraphs. However, I would like to point out that Magneto (Samuel) is definitely a bad guy and they've definitely shown that to us. We see him order the deaths of normal people several times and even seen him threaten his own people (like when he used the tattoo to strangle Darth Maul... his name is Edgar in the show).

Thanks for the reponse!

Greetings everyone. As I stated in one of the earlier discussion boards, I'm going to try to play a bit of devil's advocate for these forums to try and help the show if at all possible. That said, here we go:

I'm getting increasingly annoyed at what they're doing to this show. Season one was so fantastic, it can only be spoken about in whispers. This season is better than last, and has moments of brilliance... but it lacks WAY too much more than it offers. From watching the show, I feel that there is more than one writer writing each episode as you will have fantastic scenes... and scenes with the same characters that make no sense in any logical fashion (logically consistent in the scope of the show, that is!).

SPOILERS TO FOLLOW!

Let's start with Sylar/Parkman.
Could Parkman be any more annoying this season? I'm flabbergasted at how stupid this character continues to be. In fact, I will even say that he's the dumbest character on this show (and there are a LOT of them). He KNOWS Sylar is an apparition in his head only, yet he CONSTANTLY has outbursts in public where he yells at, tries to punch, or even throws chairs at this figment of his imagination. Even crazy people think this is stupid. My favorite is how he convinces himself that drinking an asinine amount of alcohol will elimminate Sylar... it's well known that alcohol makes people lose control, and you'd expect a cop to know this - even a terrible cop like Parkman. But wait... OH NO! Sylar takes over! It's such a completely obvious move on the writer's part that I'm insulted. Stop using such blunt devices to tell your story, it's unsulting to us viewers. Anyway, once Sylar takes over he decides to look for his body. While going through a metal detector, he gets caught because he has a gun in his bag. "Those socks you thought you were packing was actually my service revolver" Seriously, writers? So Sylar - smart enough to outsmart Parkman every time he does anything ever (because Parkman is really stupid - I can't say this enough) is packing a bag and doesn't notice a pair of socks weighing 5 pounds? Really? Oh I get it, you needed a device to show how terrible Sylar is (because we forgot!) by having him get a flat and then killing a random guy with a tire iron. What a circuitous (sic. stupid) way of going about doing that. Eventually (finally) we get through the Sylar story and Parkman outsmarts him (would never happen) so they both get shot. FYI, Sylar can't be dead because there was a resurgence of Nathan... which means that Sylar is definitely not dead. It's too obvious and convenient for this early in the season. Plus, Quinto (Sylar) is far too popular to be killed off. Still... I really REALLY hope Parkman is killed. He is such a worthless character.

Next, Peter/Emma
Emma has an amazing ability. I just want to state that right up front. Her ability is analogous to an alteration of perception. Or the effects of a brain making sense of a stimulus it does not know. It forces her to view the world in a completely different manner... it's very cool. However, her power makes NO sense. So she sees sounds sometimes? It's not a matter of the sounds being loud (jackhammer), or if she's paying attention (dripping faucet) so what makes her see the pretty lights? Speaking of inconsistent powers because the writers aren't sure how to relate stuff, how does Peter take Emma's power and not know? They make a point of showing that he consciously takes people's powers and yet when it's convenient he unknowingly takes her power because she needs "help" or something... Anyway, moving on, In this episode Emma remembers Hiro telling her she should use her powers for good. She witnesses Peter helping people after a horrible accident happens and she stands there staring... This is a fantastic scene and it was very well done. She looks at the TV, looks at the people, and you can tell she feels helpless. She WANTS to help, but how can she use her powers to help here? In the next scene, she does whatever she can to help by starting with picking up a dropped tray. Eventually she's suturing a wound. So she's actively helping, rather than being emo and trapped in her file room. We also get to see Peter healing people. However, it's not that easy for him. This is such a fantastic scene because both characters are interesting. Peter wants to do nothing but make up for his family's mistakes by sacrificing his own life to save people. So he keeps healing people just enough that it doesn't look suspicious. We see that his power is taking it's toll... but because it's Peter, not using his power is the same as killing these patients. So he'll keep healing until it kills him. That's compelling, that's a well-written character. Emma was awesome until she 'developed' a dark past. Oh no! Now she's exactly like ALL THE OTHER CHARACTERS ON THIS SHOW. How boring. At least she has one of the coolest powers ever.

Claire/Bennett
First things first: I f-ing HATE Claire. She is a totally worthless character and has been from day one. In season one it was okay when she was worthless because discovering her power and getting used to it is called character growth. However, in season FOUR she hasn't done any growth and she's still worthless. This is getting insane, how are you writing this stuff and thinking it's okay? "I just want to be normal" despite the fact that every time you do anything ever you either get A) discovered or B) something horrible happens to your friends. For example, here's an excerpt from Claire's own thought process: "I wonder if my room mate did actaully commit suicide? I know! I'll jump out this window in the middle of a courtyard on a college campus with my door unlocked in the middle of the night when people are never asleep in college especially on the east coast and I'll know the answer for sure!" Wait... she was discovered when her 'friend' broke into her dorm room and saw her leap out the window? Yes, she broke in, how else do you explain her being there when Claire was supposed to be asleep? And speaking of that, if she did break in, was she going to watch her sleep? WTF is going on, writers? Ugh, back to this episode, sorry. Claire is worried about her bestest friend (whom she's known for a week maybe?) and is determined to protect her with her daddy's help. She finds out it's the invisible-girl after her and then she gets all sad or something when her bestest friend leaves. But wait, she was smart enough to figure out that her bestest friend was the target in the slaughter house (no way she is smart enough)... but she's not smart enough to figure out that the only way she can actually protect her bestest friend from an invisible girl is to send her away? LOGICALLY CONSISTENT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. Sorry for the outburst. She ends up having an encounter with Magneto (Samuel) where he tells her the story of invisible-girl. I'm calling him Magneto because he's the same character (really awesome - no sarcasm, he really is an awesome character) with a different ability. You find out that she's trying to kill Bennett for revenge - which is fair considering he killed her father. Well at the end of the episode you get Claire all pissed off at her father for wanting to kill invisible-girl or at least pointing a gun at her. WTF is happening, are you reading the stuff you write Heroes Writers? Claire is mad at her father for wanting to kill a woman who's tried to kill him AND her bestest friend that she was heartbroken over having left because there is no way to protect them? And not only that, now she suddenly realizes that her dad doesn't understand her even after 4 seasons? She needed Magneto to point this out to her? "Gee, dad, I don't know what you were thinking trying to protect me... I hope we never see each other again!" I'm guessing by the cute scene where Claire and Bennett are on opposite sides of the dorm room door after their goodbye kiss is meant to forshadow that the two of them aren't going to see each other again. Because she's going over to the carnies to be with the girl that's tried to kill her and her room mate and her father. Seriously, that's some good writing there.

Well folks, I think that covers everything for this episode. At least what I'd like to cover. My review may be a little 'colorful' but it bothers me that this show is as bad as it is. I really love the idea of the show and loved it more than I can express in the first season. I'm a hardcore nerd, I love anything with superpowers. So believe me when I say that I really want this show to be awesome. But I just need to say this stuff because it's driving me nuts watching it unfold into a steaming pile of trash.

<3
-1ce

Hello 1ce, first of all It would be better if i read your whole post, so that i can give a better reply, but since im really trying to avoid any spoilers, i only read the first 2 paragraphs, thanks for the warning ;)

I think you are right, when you say that more than one writer work on the episodes. Ive also noticed that some scenes are great, and then something out of place happens, like its going well and then they screwed it up somehow, and different writers seems like the best answer.
Still the season isnt that bad, definetly better then the last ones.
This season is going pretty slow, and though we all know that samuel at one point will be shown as the bad guy, thus creating a huge battle between the carnival and the heroes we know.
And that is probably going to be the whole point to the season, but as i said the show is taking its time to reach that point.
And nobody really knows its coming, because samuel doesnt look like a bad guy, he just seems like a leader trying to protect his family.
Yes he has done some bad things, like locking up charlie somewhere, but he really does need hiro, so extreme measures are required. I dont think he wants to do bad things but he has to.
And the whole revenge thing against noah, because how he killed the invisible girl's father, isnt all that mean, you just need to put yourself in his shoes.
Anybody would want revenge, and noah's past is gonna get him killed most likely. I dont know if he is the major death, im just saying that giving it thought, his past is chasing him.
please dont reply to me telling me spoilers, or if you do, please warn.

Well i think the reason that sylar can fly in nathans body is due to his ability. Sylar being able to understand how things work, thinks he is nathan. And we all know nathan knew how to fly so if sylar has nathans memories maybe he just understood how to fly, based on nathan's experience on flying.
That's my guess

If you rewatch the episode, you see that it is Nathan's face, not Sylar's. So he still thinks he's Nathan, not Sylar with no memory.

yeah we know that. We are discussing how sylar can fly, even though he never took the ability from nathan.
And the theories are the ones above. I dont know if i spelled theories right.

Hmmm. And/or flying is a bodily power so if you can mimick the body of the flyer then you logically get the flying ability too.

I have to agree with Hero above, this season is really simple yet gripping. Every episode is heightening the mystery to a new level makin me want to see the next episode ASAP. Samuel is the most impactful new character so far and I think Emma is going to have some major role later on which will really delight everyone. Unlike all the previous seasons though where the knowledge of the eventual world apoclypse was there from the beginning, that is not shown in this season. It's a good thing or bad we'll only come to know when we reach the end :)
One last thing, did Sylar ever get Nathan's flying ability? Nathan flew out of the window with Sylar in season 3. That means Sylar used empathy while they were fighting in air? Seems highly unlikely. anyway, it's a small thing which I can overlook as this season is really very fulfilling and entertaining.

Another great episode!! Liking this season way more than 2 and 3. Almost back to season 1 story telling.

I was kinda thinking if there are going to be a major charachter kill off don't it might be peter i think the power he has needs to both take and give life to work cause i take life from urself as u steal life for urself. and since peter is going to heal Parkman wich is badly injured he might hurt himself srsly during the procces

Spell much?

OMG i am so scared to reading the comments above, because i do NOT WANT TO KNOW WHO IS THE MAJOR DEATH THIS SEASON.
So i will post my comment and nothing else, there is always some guy who posts the spoiler without warning, but there are some decent guys like jodeo that warn you, but since he posted that, maybe some of you replied to that comment, thus there could be spoilers everywhere so people like me cant really come in here to try and comment at all.
I think ill lay back till the end of the season to avoid spoilers from you guys.
Anyways i thought the episode is been the same as all the last ones, going step by step, not rushing into anything. And so you can understand whats going on without any problems, all except the endings which have been kinda mysterious.
i dont get why Nathan thinks he is in trouble....
Last time he had control of his body he was shot, so maybe he remembers that and nothing else from that point.

Well, Nathan did all of a sudden wake up in a strange trailer at a carnival. Maybe he thought it was all a dream...

Was this Madeline Zima's last episode or is she in for more? I hope she still on they were cute together. I felt sad for Claire last nite.

so does this mean there really is no big death of a major character now that we know that matt died but is coming back? or do i have to worry about somebody else dying now but maybe coming back

I'm as big of a heroes fan as anyone else, but this season is missing something....There isn't a riveting reason to watch like the first season

Unless Emma uses her power in some way, she will just be another character that gets killed off b/c she has no use in the plot line.

The Samuel story line is good, they need another good villian because the Sylar storyline is circling again. I'm glad they decided to kill off Nathan, he doesn't do anything...

Quick, who has been killed more times.....Nathan or HRG?

Not exactly how I thought the Haitians name would be revealed, but Renee it is. This entire episode was cool.

I think you guys are missing it completely. Claire never found out what the Haitian's name is; I think she just made up the name on the spot for Gretchen's sake.

Pretty good episode.. Like the fact that Gretchen left cuz lets be real, she wudn't be able to handle seeing that kinda stuff on everyday basis.. Finally got to see the Haitian!! & his name is Renee` another mystery answered!! Starting to really like the Sylar/Matt situation.. & that damn Samuel, wat else can i say that'd make his character more amazing!! He's great, powerful & crafty, i hope he becomes a staple "bad guy".. & they're putting more meat on the Emma character which is good... Keep on rolling Heroes... Next weeks episode looks like some stuff shud hit the fan..

Do Clair and Gretchen stay together this season?
I hope so, they were cute and Clair needs a break.