Discussion Thread: Heroes Season 3 Episode 5 (3.05) Angels and Monsters
By Sam | October 9, 2008 (1:57 pm)
So who are the angels and who are the monsters on Heroes? Is it even possible to tell the two apart anymore, especially in light of Peter’s return from the future as shown in last week’s episode, “I am Become Death”? And what’s the deal with Mohinder? Or is the better question, what exactly is he becoming that he needs to hide himself in the dark? Meanwhile, Nathan Petrelli and Tracy Strauss have gotten real comfy lately; will a trip to see Mommy at The Company’s secret prison further their relationship? Probably not. And look who is back — or is he, really? Remember, there are people with powers to make you see what they want you to see on Heroes… Here, then, is your official discussion thread for this week’s episode, 3.05, titled, “Angels and Monsters”.
SEVERAL HEROES STAND AT MAJOR CROSSROADS, FACING PERSONAL DECISIONS THAT COULD REDEFINE WHO’S “GOOD” OR “EVIL” — CLAIRE (HAYDEN PANETTIERE) ATTEMPTS TO TAKE DOWN HER FIRST NEW VILLIAN
Armed with H.R.G.’s (Jack Coleman) old files and a taser, Claire (Hayden Panettiere) attempts to take down her first target — Stephen Canfield (Andre Royo), a Level 5 escapee with the ability to create black holes — unaware that others are closing in. Meanwhile, in horror, Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) flees from all the death and destruction in the future, only to grimly discover how deeply the experience has changed him. Frustrated that Adam Monroe (guest star David Anders) didn’t get them closer to “the formula,” Hiro (Masi Oka) takes a stab at becoming friends with Daphne (guest star Brea Grant) and new associate Knox (guest star Jaime Hector), much to Ando’s (James Kyson Lee) dismay. Later, Suresh’s (Sendhil Ramamurthy) urge to correct research errors puts Maya (Dania Ramirez), among others, in a sticky situation. Linderman (guest star Malcolm McDowell) advises Nathan (Adrian Pasdar) to stick by Tracy (Ali Larter), seeing that they could accomplish great things together. In Africa, Matt (Greg Grunberg) sees his vision of “happily ever after” destroyed.
Alan Blumenfeld, Ashley Crow, Jessalyn Gilsig, Brea Grant, Jamie Hector, David H. Lawrence XVII and Andre Royo guest star.
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can’t wait!
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Angela: “AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!” XD
Wow, that must HURT!
And why the hell is Sylar standing there doing nothing?
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Please oh Please do not kill of Angela Pitrelli! We finally find out her power, but a while back there were comics about a woman with black hair who possessed the power to steal peoples powers with a blue ray from her hand I thought Angela was that woman its a shame she wasnt because I think that Precognitive Dreaming isn’t a power that satisfies Angela’s storyline!
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So we have 2 characters traveling into the future, 3 characters who can paint the future, and one character who can dream the future. I’m surprised we haven’t somehow seen the final episode yet.
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i love that you thought that, thats what i was just saying the other night! she is WAY to snow queen for that to be her only power……
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damn. so sylar let peter just open up angela’s brain?
eh. that’s stupid.
no really.
i thought gabriel the angel likes his mom.
and hates his peter monster brother
see. it really rhymes :))
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Mig, you don’t know that he’ll actually open up her head. All you see is him pointing his finger. It’s silly to extrapolate the contents of an entire scene from a single frame, so save your whining until after you’ve seen it.
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Pete likes to keep it in the family…I think his hunger hits him when he reads minds. We all know to get anything out of Angela that resembles truth you have to read her mind.
Sylar’s in the back waiting for his turn…Share and share a like boys I’m positive Angela would have instilled these values in her kids.
I wouldn’t say Angela was done not by a long shot…No way her power is just dreaming the future, I have never bought into that one at all!…One of her kids has the same hunger as Linda from the GN, she told Syler she knows about it too, The GN ended saying Linda was an Angel she is killed by Linderman the healer? And her name is Angela?
You couldn’t be more obvious about Angela being Linda if she wore a name tag that says Linda on it.
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Uluru can only be…Mr. Muggles?, of course it makes perfect sense!
Mr. Muggles can see that soon Lyle will go upstairs NEVER to come back down he will disappear into that mystical void where all pointless characters go. Poor kid he must have the hardest time at school; the actor I mean.
Lyle says one word and Clair tells him to shut up, or his mother says go to your room; (sigh) just bored, sorry for the rant.
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You KNOW that this is going to happen in the first five minutes.
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So I was thinking how Linderman coming back from the dead was a really dumb storyline only because it seems like this show can never keep a person dead which kinda pisses me off. After looking at previews for next week and the promo photos I had a really cool theory pop into my head that has probably been said before but here goes. Making people see dead people is papa Petrelli’s power so that way he can pull everyones strings without it being known it’s actually him.
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jesse, i like your theory about papa petrelli. even more interesting is this, ive been reading in other discussion threads that his power is manipulating the genetic code. if that is the case could he then give himself another ability.
also i like how peter is going to be a little dark for a while because if these abilities were real good and evil wouldn’t be so cut and dry like it is in all the superhero movies, thats what makes heroes so good.
one thing that still bugs me and i know im not the first to ask this question but how did future peter get the scar, does anyone know
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SCAR…yeah the scar remember when hiro went to the future..Peter has also that scar..the same scar..whats about that scar after all..maybe to determine he is the future peter lol…
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i mean hiro going in the future in season 1..
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watching the show right now… Can anyone tell me why the company is not still keeping tabs on mohinder. isn’t the lab set up with camera’s????
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Holy sh*t! Did Hiro really just kill Ando??? I never saw that one coming.
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This episode is the best so far. I can’t believe that Hiro stabbed Ando with a sword! I was so shocked when the guy who can create black holes killed himself.
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wow, this is crazy, definitely not what I was expecting!!!
INTENSE!
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oh snap! This is sweeeeeet! I cannot wait for next week!!!! So Hiro must go back and teleport ando to safety. That was crazy… I knew Parkmans dad had to be up to something. Wonder why he is serving Papa petrellie. He must be one bad ass dude to have that powerful of people doing his will. I need to go and chill after that. take amoment and think.
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best episode!!!!! wow!
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All I can say about this episode is WOW! I wasnt expecting alot of stuff to happen. Now I can see papa petrelli is the puppetmaster who has been pulling everyones string since the beginning.
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OH NO!!!Ando cant be DEAD!!!!
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so next episodewe will see the Villain team?
epsisode was awesome, you gotta feel bad for the Vortex guy
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isnt it funny that papa petrelli founded pinehearst i mean he helped found the original company too didnt he. i hope they explain that eventually.
actually i was just thinking could it be that angela and the other founders tried to kill arthur petrelli but somehow he survived and formed pinehearst.
i already can’t wait until next week i mean it looks awsome.
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OMG Ando dead!!!!!! and the vortex guy had a sweet power. and merdith is with the puppet guy o god. this is getting serious
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…i loves it, a lot to take in but it’s such a good show, when this season is over I’m going to buy all episodes and watch them all one Saturday.
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you may need to add in sunday too!
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I am gona watch all three seasons , beat that.
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also on Xerox’s point on maury parkman, i had an idea it was him but i wasn’t sure because the last time we saw him his son trapped him in dream but then again maury’s power was further along then matt’s so maybe he just was able to get out like matt was.
and i dont think hiro goes back and teleports ando to safety cause then ando wouldnt be there for hiro to prove himself to knox and daphne but who knows.
so it looks like out of the petrelli bro’s nathan was the only one born without an ability, this show gets better every week
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you know what made me madd was Nathan just left peter all locked up in the time out room, because he cut mommy.
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a few things..yes this episode was probably the best this season..it totally played with the whole heroes/villains thing..there were alot of decisions to be made in this episode and it made the characters think…
speaking of decisions…HIRO AND ANDO! Hiro would NOT have made his mind up that fast to just stab ando like that, unless he had already made up his mind that he would go back in time and save him..PLUS we’ve already seen in the future that Hiro isn’t gangin up with Daphne and Knox in their little Villain Squad…therefore Hiro doesn’t go through with the initiation or whatever..
also..I knew Maury was def a possibility of Nathan’s (and now Daphne’s) seeing Linderman..but I never really thought that it would be solved that fast..nice move heroes writers. One mystery solved!
oh and is anyone else becoming a huge fan of Angela’s future dream scenes!? because i know i definitely am..
great twist with the puppeteer “Doyle” guy and Meredith at the end..the kiss was slightly disgusting, but I’m pretty sure that was the point…Claire/Sylar/HRG..loved the tension..personally I thought the blackholer dude was really annoying..but him throwing himself into his own black hole was pretty sweet and for the most part unexpected..
Tracy/Nathan/Angela..one of the best scenes…Angela speechless and trembling?..awesome
Adam Monroe coming back is always good..I loved his character in season 2, however there was a point when I kinda wanted to push Hiro in the coffin..that was getting a little irksome..
and of course…Arthur Petrelli and Pinehearst…genius heroes..genius!
oh yeah…Maya needs to kill Mohinder…he’s just becoming a tad too reptilian and murderous for me..I’m not feelin his story this season at all..
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Its just getting too wierd what Mohinder is turning into an evil fly. Hiro release Adam AGAIN. Claire is going to join the villians.
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This is not an essay competition.Anyways u are very good at writing.May u win an essay competition.
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“but him throwing himself into his own black hole was pretty sweet and for the most part unexpected..”
it was expected. he pretty much was depressed, and his wife don’t want to see him. what else he gonna do? they woundn’t kill off sylar anyway.
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OMG! Awesome! I really felt bad for the black holes guy. I was glad Claire decided to help him. But HRG had to go and ruin it. It kinda pissed me off for Sylar to speak about what Claire was feeling even if he did apologize to her. When Sylar took her hand to keep her from being sucked into the black hole was like the it moment for me. SYlar, who held Claire down, removed her scalp and took her ability, was trying to save her. WOW.
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On another note. The beginning of the episode felt strange to me. Did anyone notice that they didn’t use Mohinder to narrate?
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i really just want to see the dream team in action Peter and Sylar together they would be unstoppable and might be our only hope against Pinehearst
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Well, Sylar is still human right? He may have an abnormal conscience, but at least he still loved his son right?
LOL @ ANGELA xD
But I actually haven’t watched the episode yet
HIRO STABS ANDO!?!?!? MUST MUST MUST WATCH :O
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yea that was werid its was nathan that narrated tonight
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This is epiosode was the best so far !!! The Angela future scenes are really interesting so far too , I can’t believe what happened this time though !!!
Also who the hell are the Heroes , this episode , I thought I had Hiro and Ando left , and probablly Claire , but I don’t know about Claire but I love her story and now that Hiro has killed Ando , I don’t believe there are any Heroes left who have done no harm ??? but why they kill Ando ?!?!? I don’t believe it though , Hiro could not have just killed him like that ??? , No!!!!
The guy with the Black hole power was very interesting because he had a very nice power
wait though , does Claire no that Sylar is her uncle ? and yea the kiss meredith had was ughh !!! and I can’t beleieve the guy is going to make Claire shoot her mom !!! Next week looks awesome , and I wanna get more to Arthur Petrelli !!:)
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benjamin
you are right about hiro in the future but as we all know whenever they show a future like that it never comes to be ie the bomb in season 1 and the virus in season 2.
also ando kills hiro in that future so maybe ando survives the stabbing and joins the company to fight against hiro, knowing hiro he probably has a change of heart but maybe by the time he does it’s too late to save his friendship with ando.
we also have to remember that hiro is easily manipulated so i guess we’ll find out in the episodes to come…..I can’t wait!!!!
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i don’t think ando is dead at all. lets not forget ando could have survived that, its not like they showed his funeral or something.
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I’m not really sure I buy Hiro helping the villains here, but they’re apparently gonna stick with it. In Angela’s vision a few episodes back they showed Tracy, Knox, Adam and Daphne having gone back in time to the day Peter saved Claire (and killing everyone). So unless Arthur and Maury recruit Peter, that means it’s Hiro who brings them back there. I’m not sure how they’re going to convince him that it’s actually Kill The Cheerleader, Save The World but it’ll be fun finding out.
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I don’t recall ever seeing
“Tracy, Knox, Adam and Daphne having gone back in time to the day Peter saved Claire (and killing everyone).”
In the vision I remember(not ep5’s vision but ep2 or 3 can’t remember), it shows 4 villians. Behind Angela Petrelli comes Sylar. He puts his hands on her shoulders and she looks a little worried.
I’m gonna watch it again to see If I missed anything but that’s how I remember it.
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Ok just checked out what you were talking about. Confirmed this is from s03ep2. It’s Adam, Tracy, Maury, and Knox in that order. I think they will try to destroy the company together and that’s what happens in this vision. It clearly shows Peter defeated(wounds not healing), Claire without her head, Parkman with a slit throat, Hiro stabbed with his own sword. My fav part is after that tho, when Sylar puts his hands on her shoulders and looks at them.
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Great episode! Can’t believe the vortex guy got killed off so fast. Some of the people with the sweetest powers get no airtime but we have to keep seeing Meredith with the lame “Fireball in the hand” trick.
And this can’t be the real Hiro! He has been 100 percent annoying this season and I can’t wait for Ando to come back to life and put that blue flame to his ass!
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red flame
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red electricity.
lol
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Agreed on the killing of the vortex guy, but remember sometimes these characters can become a Maya or Micha/Monica type.
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why you peter need to kill anyone… he has their powers when he stands next to them… this whole hunger thing makes no sense…
and also… when HRG was tellN the vortex guy to kill Sylar… how come he couldnt hear any of it… didnt he kill that woman mechanic that had super hearing? all of a sudden they forget what powers he has… this makes no sense… but absolutely love the show.. haha
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There is no way that HRG knew for certain that Dale Smither was killed by Sylar, thus he was unaware Sylar could hear it.
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Sylar lost most of his powers when he was de-powered in season 2. the only ones that remained were his natural power and Telekinesis.
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Not true. in the future, we see Sylar not only using Issac’s power to paint the future,but also Ted’s nuclear power(destroying Costa Verde in the process), as well as some sort of telepathic abilty to thwart Peter’s trying to read his mind.
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if you remember, when sylar is telling HRG what claire is thinking, he mentions the fact that he knew HRG was trying to get rid of him.
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in the futer, future peter tells present peter to see sylar/gabriel to get his ability(understandability) remember gabriel explained to peter that his power has the hunger to gain more power… and peter must control that hunger..i think future peter ask present peter to get the power of sylar in order to make decision correctly.. remember future peter said that he makes wrong decisions…
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If Sylar took the power of the woman mechanic with the great hearing, how come he couldn’t hear HRG tell vortex dude to send him off? The cocooning of Mohinder’s prey is more indicative he’s turned the studio/lab into some sorta nest; maybe he’ll spawn something off from his nasty blisters or experience metamorphism into something else in a future episode.
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sylar did hear, didnt you hear him talking to clair at the end? he brought it up
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and that satisfied smirk tied up that he heard too.
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which makes me wonder. the lab, isn’t that on a video screen in angela’s office??? can’t the see what “mohindered” is doing???
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You’d think so, I hate to say it but this is a plot hole, just like Caitlin and how she’s stranded in the future.
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that’s exactly what I was thinking about why couldn’t sylar hear everything, but I guess when he died and used Claire’s blood to get his power back he didn’t heal all his powers and get them back, except for telekinesis…
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The writers have stated in an interview that Sylar lost all of his powers after being infected by the Shanti virus. So from Season 3 he’s started over with telekinesis and ‘intuitive aptitude’, and stolen Claire’s power, Bob’s power, Bridget’s power, and Jesse’s power.
The interview is here:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18281
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y didnt hiro go back in time to when monroe ran away… angela was probably put into thinking her children r dead by matts dad.. and wat is pinehearst exactly, is it primatech.. any answers?
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hiro cant go back future because of the “butterfly effects” once hiro or peter goes back to future they might correct somethings but other things goes wrong again..pinehearts = Daddy petrelli : primatech = the company they use primatech as frontcover. remember the company uses the primatech to hide the shanti virus and all other things..
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worst episode ever
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i don’t think ando is dead, hiro def looked like he was pretending there, he loves ando! he wouldn’t just kill him like that
yeah, so what’s up w/ petrelli dad? he’s alive, obviously, but they didn’t know that. did they actually think he committed suicide or did they try to kill him
also, does anyone know for sure what his power is? making other people see dead people? not sure if that’s it. a combo of him and dreaming from Angela made peter’s power though (i think he’s a natural not a synthetic ability) so maybe it is somehow related to peter’s?
i’m just gonna make a list of remaining questions, if anyone has theories you could answer!
1) Peter’s scar, what’s it from?
Can claire die or not?? We keep getting different info on that. sylar says she can’t but in season 2 adam monroe says getting the top of the head blown off does it. is it the same w/ peter and sylar (and can sylar feel pain?)
2) what’s petrelli dad’s power?
3) who else is natural power vs. synthetic power?
4) who’s sylar’s dad, is it arthur?
5) is it actually possible to remove powers and they haven’t figured it out yet or is it impossible?
6) why is peter trying to kill people if it won’t help him get their powers like sylar?
7) is ando dead?
9) and of course…when are we going to find out peter and claire aren’t related so they can get together? (kidding! though actually claire could be adam monroe’s daughter, same power, both blondes, you know…)
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OK, numbers 1 through 5 can’t be answered yet. There’s infinite possibilities of what those answers could be, so we’ll just have to watch. Regarding number six, Peter isn’t trying to kill people to gain their powers like Sylar, he just has the urge to look at people’s brains for info. The “hunger” that they talk about isn’t a hunger for murdering people, it’s the hunger for more knowledge. That’s why I think they should introduce some hero with x-ray vision so Peter can look without touching, so to speak. Number 7, of course not, Ando is the Yang to Hiro’s Yin. 8, I’m not entirely sure about either, since apparently they can come back from a nuclear explosion in which I’m sure they get entirely vaporized. Number 9 I will just disregard, because that will never happen, ever. But you know what I would like to see happen? Peter and Sylar cut each other’s heads off and share powers. They both will be fine, and afterwards they can rule the world as two kings just like Tenacious D!
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claire is nathan’s daughter.
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