Discussion Thread: Heroes Season 3 Episode 22 (3.22) Turn and Face the Strange

Posted on April 5, 2009 by Sam

There are just four episodes left in Heroes Season 3, and the 22nd episode, “Turn and Face the Strange” promises to be an eye-opener for those who have been curious about why Angela Petrelli does the things she does, as the heroes literally go about unearthing her past. Not all the heroes, of course, as Hiro and Ando are still stuck with Baby Parkman, while HRG has to deal with the further disintegration of his marriage. As for Danko and his new best pal Sylar, maybe teaming up with a superpowered serial killer wasn’t such a good idea after all. Here is your official discussion thread for this week’s episode, Heroes 3.22, “Turn and Face the Strange”.

RELATIONSHIPS ARE TESTED AS DANKO TAKES THE OPERATION TO A WHOLE NEW LEVE

As Danko (guest star Zeljko Ivanek) spearheads the government operation, someone close to him is put in the line of fire. HRG’s (Jack Coleman) life continues to spiral out of control and his marriage is dangerously close to the breaking point. Meanwhile, Hiro (Masi Oka) and Ando (James Kyson Lee) continue their road trip with a special delivery for Matt Parkman (Greg Grunberg). Elsewhere, Angela Petrelli (Cristine Rose) unearths the demons of her past.

Ashley Crow guest stars.

Links of Interest:
Complete Episode 3.22 Preview, including Promo images and Videos
Heroes Forum Discussion Thread

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  • Serecho

    its time for sylar(Zachary Quinto) to shave his sideburns they are getting annoying it doesnt fit whit the backslick hair. Btw cant wait for next episode. Im a true heroes fan i love all seasons i think they are just getting better and better.

    I dont know where people got that thing that sylar lost all of hes powers from the shanti virus, it was never mention in the show. Now that we know he never lost those powers i think he should get back hes creepy demon voice he also had in season 1

    • Hmmmm

      Yeah and I can safely say that Heroes is about a little more than actors haircuts. Seriously man pick something more to do with the storyline or character development to complain about. And as said by Jason, Sylar lost all but his tk powers, due to empathy and guilt and that. I mean why do you think he hasn’t used any of the other season 1 acquired powers. Even the writers said it. But I agree he should get his “creepy” voice back.

      • yeah

        i have been hearing how sylar only kept TK from season one. however, earlier in season 3 when peter went to the future to gets sylar’s ability, sylar ended up nuking the place. saying that this time was safely after he got infected with the shanti virus, and even if its a future that eventually won’t pan out because of the changing present, it is still unexplained why he he still had his nuking powers. either he somehow found someone else with the same power and took it, or if the writers said he only kept TK, then the writers have a plot hole.

      • yeah

        i have been hearing how sylar only kept TK from season one. however, earlier in season 3 when peter went to the future to gets sylar’s ability, sylar ended up nuking the place. saying that this time was safely after he got infected with the shanti virus, and even if its a future that eventually won’t pan out because of the changing present, it is still unexplained why he he still had his nuking powers. either he somehow found someone else with the same power and took it, or if the writers said he only kept TK, then the writers have a plot hole.

    • the brain

      2nd

    • the brain

      i am 2nd

    • ABC

      2 Women were to die in dis saason….
      1 already has

      whooz next…….angela fr sure

  • Serecho

    its time for sylar(Zachary Quinto) to shave his sideburns they are getting annoying it doesnt fit whit the backslick hair. Btw cant wait for next episode. Im a true heroes fan i love all seasons i think they are just getting better and better.

    I dont know where people got that thing that sylar lost all of hes powers from the shanti virus, it was never mention in the show. Now that we know he never lost those powers i think he should get back hes creepy demon voice he also had in season 1

    • Hmmmm

      Yeah and I can safely say that Heroes is about a little more than actors haircuts. Seriously man pick something more to do with the storyline or character development to complain about. And as said by Jason, Sylar lost all but his tk powers, due to empathy and guilt and that. I mean why do you think he hasn’t used any of the other season 1 acquired powers. Even the writers said it. But I agree he should get his “creepy” voice back.

      • yeah

        i have been hearing how sylar only kept TK from season one. however, earlier in season 3 when peter went to the future to gets sylar’s ability, sylar ended up nuking the place. saying that this time was safely after he got infected with the shanti virus, and even if its a future that eventually won’t pan out because of the changing present, it is still unexplained why he he still had his nuking powers. either he somehow found someone else with the same power and took it, or if the writers said he only kept TK, then the writers have a plot hole.

    • http://thebrain the brain

      2nd

    • http://thebrain the brain

      i am 2nd

    • http://CSACAS ABC

      2 Women were to die in dis saason….
      1 already has

      whooz next…….angela fr sure

  • Jason

    @serecho: There was an entire episode and more showing him with out powers because of the Shanti virus.

  • Jason

    @serecho: There was an entire episode and more showing him with out powers because of the Shanti virus.

  • timbernett

    is it just me or did anyone else enjoyed the part where “shapeshifter turn sylar” screams for mercy… ^__^

    • Hmmmm

      It was pretty good. Like Sylar was scared for once. Not sure we’ve seen him genuinely scared of anyone? Maybe slightly when his dad did that whistle stuff one him. But he did say he was “playing possum” so it was probably just an act. Anyone else remember Syalr being genuninely scared of anything? Was he not a bit frustrated/worried when he found he had no powers in season 2 (after he killed Candice).

      • Hmmmm

        *(on him) my bad again.

      • Serecho

        yeah i remember when peter and sylar was in mohinders apertment, when peter throw sylar in the wall and then turned invisible. It sounded on his voice that he was scared

      • http://www.myspace.com/tarot999 Tarot

        I just hope Sylar never finds Claude. It’s bad enough that Sylar can shapeshift now, but him with invisibility would be heinous! And if Sylar killed Claude to get it that would be even worse.

      • Serecho

        same here i never want that. 2 abilities that peter have that i never want sylar to get invisibility and flying.

        One thing that would be cool to see is if sylar would have super straight, it would be awesome to see Peter and Sylar in a superstrong fight.

      • the brain

        I have seen many occasions where Sylar appeared out of no where. Like the last episode he appeared in danko’s car. I think Sylar has it already. And since his telekinisis is so strong maybe he can use that to fly that could be how he got on top of that building

      • the brain

        I have seen many occasions where Sylar appeared out of no where. Like the last episode he appeared in danko’s car. I think Sylar has it already. And since his telekinisis is so strong maybe he can use that to fly that could be how he got on top of that building

      • the brain

        I have seen many occasions where Sylar appeared out of no where. Like the last episode he appeared in danko’s car. I think Sylar has it already. And since his telekinisis is so strong maybe he can use that to fly that could be how he got on top of that building

      • Destro 24

        Hmmmmmmmm

        You must have missed when HRG was hunting Sylar and Elle when the eclipse was on. HRG put a hole in him and had him running for his life. I’m sure Sylar had to be a little worried also when HRG was slitting his throat while his powers were off. Ever since he got Claires powers his boldness has grown off the charts. Just wait for the return of his father, I’m sure his daddy might strike some fear into him once he re learns how to absorb powers.

      • Destro 24

        Hmmmmmmmm

        You must have missed when HRG was hunting Sylar and Elle when the eclipse was on. HRG put a hole in him and had him running for his life. I’m sure Sylar had to be a little worried also when HRG was slitting his throat while his powers were off. Ever since he got Claires powers his boldness has grown off the charts. Just wait for the return of his father, I’m sure his daddy might strike some fear into him once he re learns how to absorb powers.

      • Destro 24

        Hmmmmmmmm

        You must have missed when HRG was hunting Sylar and Elle when the eclipse was on. HRG put a hole in him and had him running for his life. I’m sure Sylar had to be a little worried also when HRG was slitting his throat while his powers were off. Ever since he got Claires powers his boldness has grown off the charts. Just wait for the return of his father, I’m sure his daddy might strike some fear into him once he re learns how to absorb powers.

    • Mileena

      I dont know why Sylar took the shapeshifter’s power, did ya guys forget, he took Candice’s power, the illusion and turn to whatever he wants, maybe because he just wants more and more powers

      ANYWAY LOVE HEROES, BIGGEST FAN EVER, BTW IF U GUYS MISS SEASON 1 HEROES, ITS JUST STARTED LAST SATURDAY ON MBC ACTION, I RLY MISS SEASON 1, SEASON 3 IS A LOT DARKER, ANYWAY LOVE HEROES, KEEP CHEERIN YA’LL :D
      WOOOOHOOOOO

      • 311

        Dude others have tried to tell you this I’m sure, he does not have the illusion power. He had the Shanti virus so he was unable to figure her ability out and thus could not take it.

      • 311

        Dude others have tried to tell you this I’m sure, he does not have the illusion power. He had the Shanti virus so he was unable to figure her ability out and thus could not take it.

      • 311

        Dude others have tried to tell you this I’m sure, he does not have the illusion power. He had the Shanti virus so he was unable to figure her ability out and thus could not take it.

  • timbernett

    is it just me or did anyone else enjoyed the part where “shapeshifter turn sylar” screams for mercy… ^__^

    • Hmmmm

      It was pretty good. Like Sylar was scared for once. Not sure we’ve seen him genuinely scared of anyone? Maybe slightly when his dad did that whistle stuff one him. But he did say he was “playing possum” so it was probably just an act. Anyone else remember Syalr being genuninely scared of anything? Was he not a bit frustrated/worried when he found he had no powers in season 2 (after he killed Candice).

      • Hmmmm

        *(on him) my bad again.

      • Serecho

        yeah i remember when peter and sylar was in mohinders apertment, when peter throw sylar in the wall and then turned invisible. It sounded on his voice that he was scared

      • http://www.myspace.com/tarot999 Tarot

        I just hope Sylar never finds Claude. It’s bad enough that Sylar can shapeshift now, but him with invisibility would be heinous! And if Sylar killed Claude to get it that would be even worse.

      • Serecho

        same here i never want that. 2 abilities that peter have that i never want sylar to get invisibility and flying.

        One thing that would be cool to see is if sylar would have super straight, it would be awesome to see Peter and Sylar in a superstrong fight.

      • http://thebrain the brain

        I have seen many occasions where Sylar appeared out of no where. Like the last episode he appeared in danko’s car. I think Sylar has it already. And since his telekinisis is so strong maybe he can use that to fly that could be how he got on top of that building

      • http://Destro24 Destro 24

        Hmmmmmmmm

        You must have missed when HRG was hunting Sylar and Elle when the eclipse was on. HRG put a hole in him and had him running for his life. I’m sure Sylar had to be a little worried also when HRG was slitting his throat while his powers were off. Ever since he got Claires powers his boldness has grown off the charts. Just wait for the return of his father, I’m sure his daddy might strike some fear into him once he re learns how to absorb powers.

    • Mileena

      I dont know why Sylar took the shapeshifter’s power, did ya guys forget, he took Candice’s power, the illusion and turn to whatever he wants, maybe because he just wants more and more powers

      ANYWAY LOVE HEROES, BIGGEST FAN EVER, BTW IF U GUYS MISS SEASON 1 HEROES, ITS JUST STARTED LAST SATURDAY ON MBC ACTION, I RLY MISS SEASON 1, SEASON 3 IS A LOT DARKER, ANYWAY LOVE HEROES, KEEP CHEERIN YA’LL :D
      WOOOOHOOOOO

      • 311

        Dude others have tried to tell you this I’m sure, he does not have the illusion power. He had the Shanti virus so he was unable to figure her ability out and thus could not take it.

  • Hmmmm

    What I would to know is why Danko is so prejudice against people with abilities. Was he, or someone he loved, tormented by someone with abilities? Or is he essentially a racist? I do hope these next few episodes are of season 1 quality. But I’ll be watching whatever.

    • Hmmmm

      “I would like to know”, sorry missed a word. Thought I better correct myself before 311 does.

      • 311

        People have an incorrect view of me, I only correct people who misspell easy names like Sylar. It’s a main character, how can anyone get a 5 letter name wrong?

      • hg1399

        ok. anyway:
        - Petre needs to get his power back readt for the big fight against Syler.
        - Hrio and Adno need more funny scenes and we need to develope Adno power more
        - Angeal is turning into a real good character, hope we learn more about her
        - We need Trcay back
        - Mtat more violent with his power
        - Mohidner dead.

      • Hmmmm

        Ha.

      • HG1399

        thanks. 311 are you going to correct me?!

      • Serecho

        i actully think hiro and ando funny scenes are getting old it was fun the first season, but i still like it

        i agree whit that thing on peter i realy hope he gets his old powers back. Btw its Sylar not syler you dont even pronounce it syler ;D xD

      • HG1399

        i know its sylar! i aint dumb!
        It was a king little dig at 311. How are you? a wannabe 311?

      • HG1399

        i know its sylar! i aint dumb!
        It was a king little dig at 311. How are you? a wannabe 311?

      • HG1399

        i know its sylar! i aint dumb!
        It was a king little dig at 311. How are you? a wannabe 311?

    • p

      i think his some family member was killed by someone with power

    • mike

      ever notice in the first (awesom e ) epoide of this season that when agents got tracy the first person she touched she went to freeze his arm but it looked like who ever it was asorped it. his face was covered with a mask.

    • mike

      ever notice in the first (awesom e ) epoide of this season that when agents got tracy the first person she touched she went to freeze his arm but it looked like who ever it was asorped it. his face was covered with a mask.

    • mike

      ever notice in the first (awesom e ) epoide of this season that when agents got tracy the first person she touched she went to freeze his arm but it looked like who ever it was asorped it. his face was covered with a mask.

  • Hmmmm

    What I would to know is why Danko is so prejudice against people with abilities. Was he, or someone he loved, tormented by someone with abilities? Or is he essentially a racist? I do hope these next few episodes are of season 1 quality. But I’ll be watching whatever.

    • Hmmmm

      “I would like to know”, sorry missed a word. Thought I better correct myself before 311 does.

      • 311

        People have an incorrect view of me, I only correct people who misspell easy names like Sylar. It’s a main character, how can anyone get a 5 letter name wrong?

      • hg1399

        ok. anyway:
        - Petre needs to get his power back readt for the big fight against Syler.
        - Hrio and Adno need more funny scenes and we need to develope Adno power more
        - Angeal is turning into a real good character, hope we learn more about her
        - We need Trcay back
        - Mtat more violent with his power
        - Mohidner dead.

      • Hmmmm

        Ha.

      • HG1399

        thanks. 311 are you going to correct me?!

      • Serecho

        i actully think hiro and ando funny scenes are getting old it was fun the first season, but i still like it

        i agree whit that thing on peter i realy hope he gets his old powers back. Btw its Sylar not syler you dont even pronounce it syler ;D xD

      • HG1399

        i know its sylar! i aint dumb!
        It was a king little dig at 311. How are you? a wannabe 311?

    • p

      i think his some family member was killed by someone with power

    • mike

      ever notice in the first (awesom e ) epoide of this season that when agents got tracy the first person she touched she went to freeze his arm but it looked like who ever it was asorped it. his face was covered with a mask.

  • p

    I don’t know when pet is going to get his power back. I am waiting for him to get his all powers back. Third season has picked up since the 15th episode or so.
    Waiting eagerly for final episode though… just cannot wait for so many weeks

  • p

    I don’t know when pet is going to get his power back. I am waiting for him to get his all powers back. Third season has picked up since the 15th episode or so.
    Waiting eagerly for final episode though… just cannot wait for so many weeks

  • Dave

    Sylar shouldnt of needed the shape shifting power if memory serves me correctly he took the light bending power from the woman that pretended to be jessica and dragged him off curby plaza

    • Hmmmm

      But he had that strain of the Shanti virus that stopped him using his abilities at that point. So he wouldn’t be able to use it now if he didn’t understand how the light bending one worked then. No?

      • Dave

        yer but even so he still has the power he took cause i think that was the power he used to become nathan in the future

      • Hmmmm

        But that was a future where Nikki was alive, Peter had exploded in New York (thus destroying it), Micah and Ando were dead, Matt was a villian and HRG was helping people with powers.

    • Dave

      No he didn’t. He TRIED to take her ability by physically cutting her head open but couldn’t get it because he had the shante virus. Remember he gets mad about it and yells.

    • Dave

      No he didn’t. He TRIED to take her ability by physically cutting her head open but couldn’t get it because he had the shante virus. Remember he gets mad about it and yells.

    • Dave

      No he didn’t. He TRIED to take her ability by physically cutting her head open but couldn’t get it because he had the shante virus. Remember he gets mad about it and yells.

  • Dave

    Sylar shouldnt of needed the shape shifting power if memory serves me correctly he took the light bending power from the woman that pretended to be jessica and dragged him off curby plaza

    • Hmmmm

      But he had that strain of the Shanti virus that stopped him using his abilities at that point. So he wouldn’t be able to use it now if he didn’t understand how the light bending one worked then. No?

      • Dave

        yer but even so he still has the power he took cause i think that was the power he used to become nathan in the future

      • Hmmmm

        But that was a future where Nikki was alive, Peter had exploded in New York (thus destroying it), Micah and Ando were dead, Matt was a villian and HRG was helping people with powers.

    • Dave

      No he didn’t. He TRIED to take her ability by physically cutting her head open but couldn’t get it because he had the shante virus. Remember he gets mad about it and yells.

  • Company Man

    I thought Parkman was supposed to confront Danko in this episode. If not this one, then sometime. For the sake of the story, I hope he doesn’t get caught. Otherwise, it’d be the forth time in this volume that he’d been caught and detained. (First: prior to the plane crash; Second: after taking HRG hostage; Third: during his breakin of Building 26) Another time would be stale.

    Apparently someone close to Danko “is put in the line of fire.” There’s no telling who that could be. He doesn’t seem to have anyone close to him. Is Sylar the one doing it? Or Matt? We shall see.

    The summary above says we’ll learn a lot about Angela, but I thought that the next episode, “1961,” was mostly about her. So I’m wondering how much they’re going to disclose about the Petrelli family secrets this episdoe. I’d be surprised if they’d “unearth” that much. We’ll definitely see them come together though. I’m excited about this episode, mostly because I just don’t know what’s going to happen. I’m really enjoying “Fugitives.” I think the story telling has rebounded.

    I have two theories about Danko’s motivations. First, that someone close to Danko was hurt by one. Or second, the one I’m leaning towards, that he witnessed and survived a devastating event caused by a person with abilities. Brings to mind when Angela mentioned an event to Danko, involving mass casualties in Angola. She remarked how lucky (or something) he was to have survived. I can’t imagine them mentioning it without planning to address it later. I like Danko as a character though. And he’s played very well by Ivanek. He’s definitely the bad guy, and its easy to root against him.

    • Hmmmm

      I agree. But I think his motivation for finding and potentially killing people with abilities is a very personal one.

      • Company Man

        You may be right, it would explain Danko’s current personal detachment. You are right about Sylar not getting Candice’s ability. The future changed when the Peter exploded over the city, and not in the city. I’ll be disappointed if they lead towards 5YG.

    • mattt

      You are forgetting that noah too hints to danko that he knows about his past, while they are talking about one of us, one of them. Noah tells him that it worked for himself and it looks as if it worked for danko too (probably what angela metioned). then danko says, i dont know what you are talking about. Clearly, Danko was working with a special at one time or another, probably some war type senerio.

    • mattt

      You are forgetting that noah too hints to danko that he knows about his past, while they are talking about one of us, one of them. Noah tells him that it worked for himself and it looks as if it worked for danko too (probably what angela metioned). then danko says, i dont know what you are talking about. Clearly, Danko was working with a special at one time or another, probably some war type senerio.

  • Company Man

    I thought Parkman was supposed to confront Danko in this episode. If not this one, then sometime. For the sake of the story, I hope he doesn’t get caught. Otherwise, it’d be the forth time in this volume that he’d been caught and detained. (First: prior to the plane crash; Second: after taking HRG hostage; Third: during his breakin of Building 26) Another time would be stale.

    Apparently someone close to Danko “is put in the line of fire.” There’s no telling who that could be. He doesn’t seem to have anyone close to him. Is Sylar the one doing it? Or Matt? We shall see.

    The summary above says we’ll learn a lot about Angela, but I thought that the next episode, “1961,” was mostly about her. So I’m wondering how much they’re going to disclose about the Petrelli family secrets this episdoe. I’d be surprised if they’d “unearth” that much. We’ll definitely see them come together though. I’m excited about this episode, mostly because I just don’t know what’s going to happen. I’m really enjoying “Fugitives.” I think the story telling has rebounded.

    I have two theories about Danko’s motivations. First, that someone close to Danko was hurt by one. Or second, the one I’m leaning towards, that he witnessed and survived a devastating event caused by a person with abilities. Brings to mind when Angela mentioned an event to Danko, involving mass casualties in Angola. She remarked how lucky (or something) he was to have survived. I can’t imagine them mentioning it without planning to address it later. I like Danko as a character though. And he’s played very well by Ivanek. He’s definitely the bad guy, and its easy to root against him.

    • Hmmmm

      I agree. But I think his motivation for finding and potentially killing people with abilities is a very personal one.

      • Company Man

        You may be right, it would explain Danko’s current personal detachment. You are right about Sylar not getting Candice’s ability. The future changed when the Peter exploded over the city, and not in the city. I’ll be disappointed if they lead towards 5YG.

    • mattt

      You are forgetting that noah too hints to danko that he knows about his past, while they are talking about one of us, one of them. Noah tells him that it worked for himself and it looks as if it worked for danko too (probably what angela metioned). then danko says, i dont know what you are talking about. Clearly, Danko was working with a special at one time or another, probably some war type senerio.

  • Company Man

    Also, this page has the episode’s title wrong. It’s “Turn and Face the Strange”… ch-ch-changes. (see David Bowie, or NBC.com/heroes).

  • Company Man

    Also, this page has the episode’s title wrong. It’s “Turn and Face the Strange”… ch-ch-changes. (see David Bowie, or NBC.com/heroes).

  • noor

    we’ll see angela’s sis this episode..who I suppose has weather controlling power and whom angela has betrayed as well. Let’s see wht happens. Am very curious to knw abt someone close to Danko…

  • noor

    we’ll see angela’s sis this episode..who I suppose has weather controlling power and whom angela has betrayed as well. Let’s see wht happens. Am very curious to knw abt someone close to Danko…

  • peter

    Ok, theories:

    i dont know if this is mentioned by anyone already but i dont think that hiro is goin to get all his powers back. In the future and supposedly kills hiro but i think his is just boosting his power so that he can teleport, no?

    Peters powers: i am unsure about Peters powers, i definetly want them back but i am not sure how. Perhaps through Clair? maybe her power will “repair” his power? the baby? Ando power may be able to boost his power to control more abilities at the same time. Or maybe its like Elle? when she couldnt control her power?…any thoeries?

    And as for killing sylar…if that will ever happen… and i know most fans dont want him to die but if..wat ways are there?

    i think there are two power, maybe three that sylar doesnt have and that can kill him/take his power.
    Hiro’s- time and space
    Matt- control the mind
    Arthurs- TAKING abillities (nobod has this but we have seen people with similar abillities so..)

    • mattt

      the hatian too.

    • mattt

      the hatian too.

    • mattt

      the hatian too.

  • peter

    Ok, theories:

    i dont know if this is mentioned by anyone already but i dont think that hiro is goin to get all his powers back. In the future and supposedly kills hiro but i think his is just boosting his power so that he can teleport, no?

    Peters powers: i am unsure about Peters powers, i definetly want them back but i am not sure how. Perhaps through Clair? maybe her power will “repair” his power? the baby? Ando power may be able to boost his power to control more abilities at the same time. Or maybe its like Elle? when she couldnt control her power?…any thoeries?

    And as for killing sylar…if that will ever happen… and i know most fans dont want him to die but if..wat ways are there?

    i think there are two power, maybe three that sylar doesnt have and that can kill him/take his power.
    Hiro’s- time and space
    Matt- control the mind
    Arthurs- TAKING abillities (nobod has this but we have seen people with similar abillities so..)

    • mattt

      the hatian too.

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